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There is a very long documentary about proof of existence of god. One section in it really made me think.

Fine tuning is how the universe happened to be made and the probability of it forming in a "fine" way. For example right when the Big Bang happened and the universe was being formed, if the rate of the speed changed at 0.00000000001 we would all not be here and our universe as we know it wouldn't exist.

There is a lot more examples found in the video which making it scientifically impeccable to explain the reasoning for the odds besides luck and theorys. Basically there are better odds for everyone to go invisible and shit diamond cinderblocks.

Skip to 26:20 to view the section I am talking about.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1x-6al2pE
 

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The probability of the universe being even a little different is the same probability that it would be the way it is. If we factored in every single variable, we would find that the chances of our universe existing are the same chances of another random universe existing.

Saying that the universe is "fine tuned" is like a puddle exclaiming that the hole it occupies is perfectly fit for the shape of the puddle. It's out of necessity.
 

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What Leader said, and the universe is not fine tuned. Our galaxy, the Milky Way, is on a straight collision course with our cosmic neighbor, the Andromeda galaxy. The sun will eventually turn into a red giant and incinerate everything in its course, including Earth, during its expansion. Thousands of dying stars ignite into supernovas throughout the Cosmos on the daily, with malignant and deathly gamma rays. Black holes, supernovas, hypernovas, etc. The Cosmos may be beautiful, however, it is a warzone, and certainly not suitable for the label of fine-tuned. Picture by yourself what an actual fine-tuned universe would look like, and then contrast it with ours. It would not consist of such destruction and death.
 

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I didn't even think of that.
 

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Yes, I am aware of that but I'm speaking about the universe forming I'm sure galaxy is have been destroyed considering there's hundreds of billions galaxies.
 

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This isn't proving anything to be honest. These odds apply to everything if you're going to apply it to this. Think about it, there are a million things I could be doing, but I'm here on FK being a bum. What are the odds?!

Also, although a great analogy, funny @leader mentioned puddles. We all know how much he likes to play in puddles. On top of that, chicks love it, puddles everywhere.
 

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Jamils #1 Bitch said:
Yes, I am aware of that but I'm speaking about the universe forming I'm sure galaxy is have been destroyed considering there's hundreds of billions galaxies.
Click to expand...

You're ignoring my point. A god wouldn't create such a malignant world. The singularity was not fine tuned either. It was much more unstable and destructive than what I previously said about the present. Regardless of who's right, a fine-tuned universe doesn't support the existence of a deity. Even if it did, it wouldn't be solid evidence nor would it be able to distinguish which god it is evidence of. There is no evidence of deity, nor any that even hints one.
 
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