I do care and my sorrow is real. I'm not mourning for each individual animal or person that dies or some shit. I care in the way that I will never stand down for somebody's animal or human rights and that each of them is significant to me in that capacity.i sip lean420 said:are you telling me that you have real sadness for the lives that are taken? you would actually care if some girl that you didn't know was murdered by her boyfriend? or do you just tell yourself that you care because it makes you feel like a better person? i guess it's possible that someone could truly care, but your average human is very selfish. a lot of people want to pretend like they care about others but most would put themselves before someone they don't know. you don't just choose to have feelings for other people, you have to actually feel them.
i didn't address your retarded arguments because they aren't relevant to my point. you asked why i think i'm better than some muslim or jew, i'm not even a fucking christian. you actually have the balls to say that someone is delusional for believing in a higher power, you aren't as smart as you think you are. what the fuck, isn't saying that you've never met an atheist who believes it's impossible that a God exists the same as saying you've never met an atheist who doesn't believe in the possibility of a God? if they don't believe in the possibility, then they believe it's impossible, right? i wasn't trying to start some argument about which religion is right, my only point was that there is nothing wrong with believing in some sort of higher power because we were made somehow and i find it kind of hard to believe that the complexity of life was created from some giant explosion.
I swear dumbasses will upvote anything long as a mod says it.Color said:You don't have any evidence they're wrong either. You bring up the same argument every time. Why is it you're always looking to force your beliefs upon others? Your actions seem to put you in the same boat as what you're opposing, perhaps your beliefs are just as shortsighted and delusional?
I'll agree with this. I'm personally atheist but I'm not saying a 'God' isn't possible, I'm not talking about a crucified man with thorns in his head that battled all odds.. I'm talking some form of god, Maybe something in space that controls all of us as beings and when we pass who knows.. Life itself is already miraculous and beautiful, maybe there will be something more that even scientists can't prove.Cann!bal said:I don't think I have ever met or seen an atheist who will tell you a god is 100% impossible and I've been part of the atheist community for years now. This is a total misrepresentation of atheists. Truthfully, I've seen many claiming it is as wrong as someone who claims there is a god.
"To assume this, is to assume your god is dumb enough to fall for your stupid-ass insurance plan. It also assumes your particular god and sect to be real and discards all other possible god and sect combinations despite the equivalent amount of evidence between them all.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager"
I think everyone is pretty desensitized to the concept of hell by now, but I think you ought to recognize what you just said. You just laughed at the thought of all atheists burning in hell for eternity while you're in heaven. That's demented and disgusting shit.
Color said:You don't have any evidence they're wrong either. You bring up the same argument every time. Why is it you're always looking to force your beliefs upon others? Your actions seem to put you in the same boat as what you're opposing, perhaps your beliefs are just as shortsighted and delusional?
I said that it is not delusional to believe in God and you replied by asking me what makes me better than a Muslim or Jew. I never said shit about any religion being better than the other. Notice how some of my arguments include believing in "a God". That means I'm talking about any religion that believes in a higher power. Your only argument to my statement was that people are delusional for believing in God because there's no evidence, but that's completely false I'm sorry to break it to you. I really don't see how we could have been created by chance. Believing in a higher power is not delusional at all and if you think it is then I clearly can't change your opinion so have fun pretending to know the answers to everything.Cann!bal said:I do care and my sorrow is real. I'm not mourning for each individual animal or person that dies or some shit. I care in the way that I will never stand down for somebody's animal or human rights and that each of them is significant to me in that capacity.
They were rebuttals to your statements. How's that not relevant?
I didn't ask why you are more better than a Muslim or Jew. I asked you what makes your beliefs more right than some Muslim or Jew's. And yeah, you're right. I misunderstood being an atheist that doesn't believe in the possibility of god for being an atheist that believes in the possibility of god for some reason. There is something wrong with believing there is a god because there's absolutely no evidence. It's the equivalent of calling someone guilty of murder and sentencing them without evidence. That's why any reasonable person would wait for evidence of who killed little Tommy instead of jumping to the conclusion creepy Mr. Johnson did it. There's no reason to believe Mr. Johnson did other than it seems like it to you. That's what claiming god is real is like. There's no evidence, so don't jump to conclusions. That's what atheism is.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
Cann!bal said:I do care and my sorrow is real. I'm not mourning for each individual animal or person that dies or some shit. I care in the way that I will never stand down for somebody's animal or human rights and that each of them is significant to me in that capacity.
They were rebuttals to your statements. How's that not relevant?
I didn't ask why you are more better than a Muslim or Jew. I asked you what makes your beliefs more right than some Muslim or Jew's. And yeah, you're right. I misunderstood being an atheist that doesn't believe in the possibility of god for being an atheist that believes in the possibility of god for some reason. There is something wrong with believing there is a god because there's absolutely no evidence. It's the equivalent of calling someone guilty of murder and sentencing them without evidence. That's why any reasonable person would wait for evidence of who killed little Tommy instead of jumping to the conclusion creepy Mr. Johnson did it. There's no reason to believe Mr. Johnson did other than it seems like it to you. That's what claiming god is real is like. There's no evidence, so don't jump to conclusions. That's what atheism is.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
I swear dumbasses will upvote anything long as a mod says it.
The burden of proof isn't upon me and I never claimed they are wrong. I'm claiming there's no evidence to support they are right. Hmm, perhaps because it's a solid argument? How am I forcing anything? Every step on this conversation I've had has been consensual. This is the Philosophy and Debates section if you haven't noticed, you're suppose to share ideas. I'm not in the same boat. Burden of proof isn't on me. I never claimed there was a magical man in the sky who determines everyone move we make and where we go once we die. Wrong person, bud.
It feels like you reply to everything I say on this forum. You probably worship me or something.
Color said:I swear, you talk out of your ass a lot for someone who seems to consider themself such an elitist? It feels like you post on every thread in this forum. You probably worship it or something. Makes sense, right?
I'm posting my ideas, where's the problem with that? You seem to be offended when there's someone who opposes your views. Get over yourself, silly.
Yes, scriptures hold great powers to them if read and understood correctly. For example, back in February I ran into turmoil financially and needed a quick assistance. I read a specific scripture in Psalms , and my attention was answered with more than what I've asked for, which was a blessing. Even though they were written by modern men in the past, they hold knowledge and the bible should be used as an instrument delicately played, a harp perhaps. Some may call it a coincidence, but it's a blessing in disguise to those that knows how to use it. Religion isn't for everyone, which to heart I can accept and in no shape, form, or fashion try to show them unless dedicated to be taught. Religion only divides humanity and cause hatred during our darkest hours, which they know and keep relevant the best way imaginable to our eyes and mind.Julian said:I don't understand how someone could believe in something by a book (Bible). Anyone could have written this book. Are we supposed to just take someones word and believe that
all of this information is true? I don't mean to offend anyone but, i was raised and basically forced to believe in God or Jesus. I know somewhere in this book there is something stating not to force
religion on people. When i have kids of my own i'm definitely letting them choose what they want to believe in. As of right now i wouldn't call myself an atheist or a believer, i do want to believe in this God, but i need him to show me that he is what everyone says he is. I cannot take someones word and be expected to believe in it.
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