Is communism really bad?

[News]

I mean, the idea looks really good, but it isn't viable at all.
People naturally take charge, therefore a higher class is automatically formed.
Plus my geography teacher said communists knew how to look after their own.

 

[Xypher]

It is the Utopians government, you just need the right people. People that don't have a lust for power, which sadly enough, there aren't many people without that lust.

 

[Knight_mybb_import2516]

In a theory it isn't but no person seems capable enough of handling the power.

 

[HakkuR*]

Im a keep it real ts a countries choice, I think we should stay the hell out.

 

[Epicc]

Just supporting Knight's statement.
Humans by nature are greedy, therefore lust for power. If everybody was equal, there always will be a person who would want to rule.
Therefore proper communism will never work.

 

[legokiba213]

Well it would work in theory but in practice it probably will never work.

 

[ttomthebomb]

It did work, and it still works to this day. Most of them aren't completely communist due to the fact that they armies/militias but at least they do not have capitalist regimes or markets.

 

[krazedkat]

Communism is one of the greatest ideas we have ever had. Personally I'm quite Communist myself. Russia fucked up because of Stalin, that bitch. Trotsky was okay...

 

[legokiba213]

I agree with the person above it just needs the right leader to work.

 

[ttomthebomb]

Communism is one of the greatest ideas we have ever had. Personally I'm quite Communist myself. Russian fucked up because of Stalin, that bitch. Trotsky was okay...

Also, don't forget about Gorbachev.
Him and his damned from the start reforms, perestroika and glasnost.

 

[Oui.]

Communism is one of the greatest ideas we have ever had. Personally I'm quite Communist myself. Russian fucked up because of Stalin, that bitch. Trotsky was okay...

Also, don't forget about Gorbachev.
Him and his damned from the start reforms, perestroika and glasnost.

"Also". ?
While Stalin perhaps destroyed the communism that was forming he was building the country. In fact he built an empire in less of years than probably anyone ever has, by good or bad methods I'm leaving you to decide. However I can agree that Gorbachev's many reforms was the main reason for the fall of Soviet. Communism had fallen years before that. In fact, communism never existed there but it was rather a socialist state after the revolution lead by Lenin. What was under Stalin was state-capitalism. I believe you two above users were speaking of different things. One of communism and the other of Soviet.

 

[krazedkat]

Communism is one of the greatest ideas we have ever had. Personally I'm quite Communist myself. Russian fucked up because of Stalin, that bitch. Trotsky was okay...

Also, don't forget about Gorbachev.
Him and his damned from the start reforms, perestroika and glasnost.

"Also". ?
While Stalin perhaps destroyed the communism that was forming he was building the country. In fact he built an empire in less of years than probably anyone ever has, by good or bad methods I'm leaving you to decide. However I can agree that Gorbachev's many reforms was the main reason for the fall of Soviet. Communism had fallen years before that. In fact, communism never existed there but it was rather a socialist state after the revolution lead by Lenin. What was under Stalin was state-capitalism. I believe you two above users were speaking of different things. One of communism and the other of Soviet.

Stalin CLAIMED to be leading a communism. And, if he indeed was, he was doing a shitty job at it, breaking MANY rules of communism.

 

[Provenance]

It is the Utopians government, you just need the right people. People that don't have a lust for power, which sadly enough, there aren't many people without that lust.

Marx actually disagreed with the Utopian philosophy and drive.

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Stalin CLAIMED to be leading a communism. And, if he indeed was, he was doing a shitty job at it, breaking MANY rules of communism.

Stalin had his own ideas of communism.
He didn't disobey any rules.

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Just supporting Knight's statement.
Humans by nature are greedy, therefore lust for power. If everybody was equal, there always will be a person who would want to rule.
Therefore proper communism will never work.

I've said this before, but saying it again won't cause any harm.
The idea that humans are greedy and corrupt by nature is giving to much credit to the people who are that way.

Greed and the emotions that are similar are influenced and created by society. Not by the human mind in its natural state.

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In a theory it isn't but no person seems capable enough of handling the power.

True communism is led by the community, so no one person would need to be capable of handling the immense power.

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I agree with the person above it just needs the right leader to work.

A good leader would be required to navigate the move towards a true communism, but remember that the ideal of the movement is to form a stateless society.

 

[krazedkat]

He did indeed disobey the rules of communism. He essentially turned the Soviet Union into a capitalist state!

 

[Provenance]

He did indeed disobey the rules of communism. He essentially turned the Soviet Union into a capitalist state!

He disobeyed certain forms of communism, but by doing so, created his own variant.

 

[krazedkat]

Capitalism is not a variant of communism in the least. .-.

 

[Provenance]

Capitalism is not a variant of communism in the least. .-.

You forget that Marx included steps before true communism could be reached.
Yes, a true communism is very different between from a capitalist society, but you're forgetting everything in between.

 

[krazedkat]

It's true that there are steps but I don't remember one of them being reverting BACK to capitalism.

 

[Provenance]

It's true that there are steps but I don't remember one of them being reverting BACK to capitalism.

Sometimes you have to go back before you can go forward.

 

[krazedkat]

It's true that there are steps but I don't remember one of them being reverting BACK to capitalism.

Sometimes you have to go back before you can go forward.

I don't quite think that was Stalin's plan.