Mosque being built at ground zero.

What's your opinions on this? I personally think that the media is making a much bigger deal out of this then they should. Firstly, the CENTRE itself is like 2-3 blocks from ground zero. Secondly, it's not even a mosque, it's a community centre, set up BY Muslim people for the whole community to use, the local Muslims can just go there to pray if they want, there's no minarets or dome being built it's just a building. Thirdly, You can’t legally stop people from obeying the law. The Burlington Coat factory is private property. Those who want to build on it are private citizens. They are violating no law in wanting to build a community center. Under what authority do you propose we stop them? There is no “unless you’re a Muslim within X yards of a national tragedy" law or anything. Also, what could you say to the people who want to build it? They didn't blow up the towers, as far as we're concerned they're as innocent as me or you, they just want to be able practice their religion (in a building that is accessible to everyone) as every American has the right to. Stopping them from building it would steal away their rights and would be widely considered blatant racism, Muslims would leave America and what every American always so proudly says 'This is America and we have rights' would no longer have any backing.

Discuss.

We were talking about this in my US History class last week.

I do agree that the media is making this too big of a deal, and blowing it out of proportion. It's not even on Ground Zero, it's a few blocks away; I don't see why people are making such a big deal about it. If it was actually on the site, I would probably have a different opinion, but it's blocks away from the actual site.

Why cant they just move it somewhere else and alot are terrorists At a war memorial for United States Of America Hurr durr know what im saying

The media is making this a too big of a deal. But what we can do is just shit and let the politic take care of things.

I've distanced myself away from TV media, so I've hardly heard of this at all... I prefer it's best to ignore what's going on in America when I'm powerless to change anything. But, as I've been confronted with this issue, I had to form an opinion...

While I do think people are making kinda a big deal about it, I think it's a bit insensitive and not a very... good? investment. I dunno; I think an outside park or a memorial site would be better for any open area around it, but that might just be my patriotism.

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I've distanced myself away from TV media, so I've hardly heard of this at all... I prefer it's best to ignore what's going on in America when I'm powerless to change anything. But, as I've been confronted with this issue, I had to form an opinion...

While I do think people are making kinda a big deal about it, I think it's a bit insensitive and not a very... good? investment. I dunno; I think an outside park or a memorial site would be better for any open area around it, but that might just be my patriotism.

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I agree with you, except the 'Mosque' is being built 2 or 3 blocks away from the site at an old coat factory.

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reyningsunshine said:

I've distanced myself away from TV media, so I've hardly heard of this at all... I prefer it's best to ignore what's going on in America when I'm powerless to change anything. But, as I've been confronted with this issue, I had to form an opinion...

While I do think people are making kinda a big deal about it, I think it's a bit insensitive and not a very... good? investment. I dunno; I think an outside park or a memorial site would be better for any open area around it, but that might just be my patriotism.

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I agree with you, except the 'Mosque' is being built 2 or 3 blocks away from the site at an old coat factory.

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Eh, regardless of where or what this "mosque" thing reall is, I think the first new thing that should be built or established near the site at all should be a memorial or something along that line.

It's been 9 years since it has happened and still no memorial has been built. The community of that area has needs which need to be met, they can't suffer because of the governments lack of 'urgency'. A memorial should have been erected within at least 5 years after the disaster happening.

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It's been 9 years since it has happened and still no memorial has been built. The community of that area has needs which need to be met, they can't suffer because of the governments lack of 'urgency'. A memorial should have been erected within at least 5 years after the disaster happening.

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Would've been ideal to be up sooner, but it didn't happen. Better late than never.


And the idea of a central government taking care of community "needs" pisses me off. What people "need" is to learn how to take care of themselves. *doesn't want to get into this; wrong thread*

reyningsunshine said:

[Death] said:

It's been 9 years since it has happened and still no memorial has been built. The community of that area has needs which need to be met, they can't suffer because of the governments lack of 'urgency'. A memorial should have been erected within at least 5 years after the disaster happening.

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Would've been ideal to be up sooner, but it didn't happen. Better late than never.


And the idea of a central government taking care of community "needs" pisses me off. What people "need" is to learn how to take care of themselves. *doesn't want to get into this; wrong thread*

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I don't understand; the centre is being built by private individuals, not the government.

They got as close as they can get and i don't think we should trust them Yet......

I honestly could care less. People need to realize that Muslims were also killed in 9/11. If someone wanted to build a Church on GZ, I don't think anyone would give a flying fuck.

They have every right to build it if they own the land. In fact, if they owned the land where the Twin Towers once stood, and wanted to build their little community center there, they could. They have the right to do so, no matter what corner of the world they may have came from, or religious beliefs they may hold.

Heretic said:

They have every right to build it if they own the land. In fact, if they owned the land where the Twin Towers once stood, and wanted to build their little community center there, they could. They have the right to do so, no matter what corner of the world they may have came from, or religious beliefs they may hold.

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I do understand that i just don't think we should trust them yet.

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Heretic said:

They have every right to build it if they own the land. In fact, if they owned the land where the Twin Towers once stood, and wanted to build their little community center there, they could. They have the right to do so, no matter what corner of the world they may have came from, or religious beliefs they may hold.

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I do understand that i just don't think we should trust them yet.

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Why the fuck wouldn't you trust someone based on something that happened a decade ago, and was done by suicidal bombing supporters?

These are just people that want to live their life. What if this got denied due to 9/11 and like OP said, it'd be flat out racism.

It's completely wrong of you not to trust an entire Religion/Race just because of a group of people who did something wrong.

That's like them exiling americans from their home land due to the murders and rape that they commit here. If you want to say 'I don't think we should trust them yet,' you're being completely hypocritical

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Heretic said:

They have every right to build it if they own the land. In fact, if they owned the land where the Twin Towers once stood, and wanted to build their little community center there, they could. They have the right to do so, no matter what corner of the world they may have came from, or religious beliefs they may hold.

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I do understand that i just don't think we should trust them yet.

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Trust who exactly? There's around 1 billion people in the world that are part of the Muslim faith. Most of these Muslims are only moderates. The people who flew planes into the Twin Towers were extremists. It sounds like you're generalizing an entire religion into 1 group of people.

I'm talking about MODERN DAY MUSLIMS I am not talking about 9/11 at all im talking about he radicals who will be there Look im am not saying all Muslims are bad im just saying i don't trust them near ground zero.

Ground Zero is the same as anywhere else now considering the towers are gone.

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I do understand that i just don't think we should trust them yet.

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We should not be like that. That's the problem with America. We shouldn't judge everyone by what they look like. If they don't speak English and just came here to learn how to fly a plane we shouldn't trust them. But if they have lived here for a long time and just kept their cultural beliefs that's fine.

The media should shut the fuck up.