My view on religion.

I constantly see on here, and in real life people do nothing about argue over religion. How one is more true than the other and it will keep you alive.

Bullshit.

There was a religion before yours and I believe they lived just as long as we do. Such as ancient Greece. There was no "God" then they had many deities that they worshiped but no God then. Why should there be one now?

You always see some shit like "I can make you believe in God" No you can't. Until I can touch it, it isn't real. If you can prove to me that I was made by some unworldly being then by all means let's see it.

For all those who will flame the thread, I don't care, there is no such thing as a "true religion" or a right one. Where was "God" during war, where was he during the plagues, where was he during the depression? Exactly, churches are nothing but to take money from those who want to better their life by believing in something higher than themselves because they don't know what to do.

Don't come on here telling me that there is a god or he will show me he is real. I've lost more than anyone here could imagine. And your god was nowhere to be seen. Feel free to agree or disagree.

Personally, I think that creationism/the theory of evolution coincide with each other quite literally.

Creationists think that we, as human beings were created by a deity in the sky that loves us unconditionally for everything that we are, for everything that we do (positive and negative). The creationists who believe in an all-seeing, all-knowing "God", have put their trust/lives into a what I believe to be, one of the best fictional stories out there. They're expected to do so many good / great things, but will deny you help, if it's convenient because their 'God' didn't show them the way. Oh, also. This same "God" will essentially doom you to "burn in eternal fire" if you don't follow every minuscule rule that were "placed"(inscribed with some type of high-powered laser) on some stone tablets a few thousand years ago.

The theory of evolution goes like this; we evolved from essentially just salt molecules.. into a complex organic being, with consciousness & self awareness/thought... OVER SOME HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS. (this is observable as we can carbon-date most life forms that were evolved/evolving throughout the history of our beautiful little mud ball)
The theory of evolution suggests that we started in the ocean as bacteria, then, throughout the process of natural selection - evolved into the first types of homosapiens; 'neanderthals / cavemen', from CHIMPS.


most people on this planet think they're wayyyyy too special to have their lineage traced back on a simple chimpanzee, buahaha. A pair of fused chromosomes in a chimp (imagine a being of extra-terrestrial origin genetically modifying an already structured organic mammal into something more intelligent/resilient) - maybe we're just smart chimpanzee's, that realized one day that we were intelligent. & those of the less good-willed creatures, who had essentially created a story after a few thousands of years, to give false purpose/a false sense of security. If you do what is asked of you / told of you, you will be rewarded. Yeah, seems simple enough..

So if anyone can tell @Plague & I why the all-seeing, all-knowing, all-loving God doesn't do a thing about anything that's going on....... well. I for one am all ears to listen.

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I doubt that you've thoroughly researched every single scientific theory and idea that you believe in and trust. Your "Until I can touch it, it isn't real" ideology that you hold towards religions and deities should be held just as firmly with everything that you read and hear. While I share your views on the lack of any sort of god, I do not think you have come to that conclusion through the most thorough means. Quite often we get people online who arbitrarily hold certain beliefs, with atheist and agnosticism being some of the most popular. While you may not necessarily be like one of these people, I do think that you should avoid that image by finding some tangible research behind your beliefs.

There's only 3 possibilities when it comes to religion.

1. They're all true.
2. Only one is true.
3. They're all false.

The first one is ridiculous. Every religion can't be true, and we all know that. The second one is just a ridiculous as the first. There is such a low probability only one religion is true. It's absolutely insane to think that one religion is true. The third possibility is the most rational and logical choice.

Premortal said:

I doubt that you've thoroughly researched every single scientific theory and idea that you believe in and trust. Your "Until I can touch it, it isn't real" ideology that you hold towards religions and deities should be held just as firmly with everything that you read and hear. While I share your views on the lack of any sort of god, I do not think you have come to that conclusion through the most thorough means. Quite often we get people online who arbitrarily hold certain beliefs, with atheist and agnosticism being some of the most popular. While you may not necessarily be like one of these people, I do think that you should avoid that image by finding some tangible research behind your beliefs.

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There really needs to be no "research" behind my beliefs. It's my own personal views not a fucking experiment. I can see the world as it pleases me because there is nothing that truly matters except happiness.

@User I truly couldn't agree more, it is much more believable than a guy who can't shave pointing his finger to make shit.

@leader exactly but people only like to see the world as they want it, most just so happen to share the same view due to sitting in the same building once a week.

Plague said:

There really needs to be no "research" behind my beliefs. It's my own personal views not a fucking experiment. I can see the world as it pleases me because there is nothing that truly matters except happiness.

@User I truly couldn't agree more, it is much more believable than a guy who can't shave pointing his finger to make shit.

@leader exactly but people only like to see the world as they want it, most just so happen to share the same view due to sitting in the same building once a week.

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Wait a second...

Until I can touch it, it isn't real. If you can prove to me that I was made by some unworldly being then by all means let's see it.

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Are you saying that what you mentioned before, about having something proven to you before you believe in it, isn't true?

You can't honestly try and attack religion for not having proof of a god if you're not asking for proof of anything else on earth, now can you?

If the only thing that matters to you is happiness, wouldn't it be easiest to just let yourself believe there's a God who loves you and will protect you and make you comfortable and content after you die? If all that matters to you is happiness then happiness through ignorance would be the most efficient way to go about achieving it.

@premortal No because I will never bring myself to follow blindly to something that doesn't exist. Happiness to me would not be sitting on my knees hoping for something good to happen. I control my life, what I do decides my future, not prayers.

You want something you take it and make it into what you want.

Plague said:

@premortal No because I will never bring myself to follow blindly to something that doesn't exist. Happiness to me would not be sitting on my knees hoping for something good to happen. I control my life, what I do decides my future, not prayers.

You want something you take it and make it into what you want.

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You say that you won't blindly follow something that you believe doesn't exist. Before you said that you didn't need to have anything backing up your personal beliefs because all that matters is happiness. Isn't that almost exactly the same type of logic that religious people operate under?

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Are you saying that what you mentioned before, about having something proven to you before you believe in it, isn't true?

You can't honestly try and attack religion for not having proof of a god if you're not asking for proof of anything else on earth, now can you?

If the only thing that matters to you is happiness, wouldn't it be easiest to just let yourself believe there's a God who loves you and will protect you and make you comfortable and content after you die? If all that matters to you is happiness then happiness through ignorance would be the most efficient way to go about achieving it.

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You have this notion that you need to believe in god to feel happy, which just isn't true. Happiness through ignorance isn't true happiness. It's a shroud, an illusion of happiness, protecting and hiding the truth.

@premortal I have no problem with religion nor do I think anyone should change their beliefs. But I have my own views on it, nothing will ever change it.

I've been through too much to ever believe there is a God. But I'm not saying you shouldn't. It's just a matter of how you live your life.

Leader said:

You have this notion that you need to believe in god to feel happy, which just isn't true.

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I never said you needed to, I said that it was the most efficient way. It requires nothing but blind trust on the side of the believer.

Leader said:

You have this notion that you need to believe in god to feel happy, which just isn't true.

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How do you know? Just because you are different doesn't mean believing in God for him doesn't make him happy? How do you know that him believing in God gets him through the day?

You say it isn't true because its not your beliefs. People tend to get those two mixed up (facts and beliefs).

Facts are proven to be true, beliefs are facts that us in ourselves believe to be true. If it works for you, then it's a belief until proven a fact.

Plague said:

@premortal I have no problem with religion nor do I think anyone should change their beliefs. But I have my own views on it, nothing will ever change it.

I've been through too much to ever believe there is a God. But I'm not saying you shouldn't. It's just a matter of how you live your life.

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I'm not questioning your respect or lack thereof regarding religious people, I'm questioning the logic that you've used to conclude that a god doesn't exist. If it's solely due to hard life experiences then there are very many religious explanations for them. Religion wouldn't be nearly as popular if there wasn't.

Chill said:

How do you know? Just because you are different doesn't mean believing in God for him doesn't make him happy? How do you know that him believing in God gets him through the day?

You say it isn't true because its not your beliefs. People tend to get those two mixed up (facts and beliefs).

Facts are proven to be true, beliefs are facts that us in ourselves believe to be true. If it works for you, then it's a belief until proven a fact.

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Did you read my post? I said "You have this notion that you need to believe in god to feel happy, which just isn't true." I wasn't saying that you couldn't be happy believing in god, I said you didn't need a belief in a god to be happy.

Leader said:

Did you read my post? I said "You have this notion that you need to believe in god to feel happy, which just isn't true." I wasn't saying that you couldn't be happy believing in god, I said you didn't need a belief in a god to be happy.

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You just said "he has the notion that he NEEDS to believe in God to be happy"

If he didn't believe then he'd be unhappy? That's his belief.

Chill said:

You just said "he has the notion that he NEEDS to believe in God to be happy"

If he didn't believe then he'd be unhappy? That's his belief.

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He was applying that to the rest of humanity, which is un-true.

Premortal said:

I'm not questioning your respect or lack thereof regarding religious people, I'm questioning the logic that you've used to conclude that a god doesn't exist. If it's solely due to hard life experiences then there are very many religious explanations for them. Religion wouldn't be nearly as popular if there wasn't.

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It's not only that, I just can't bring myself to believe in any religion.

Why should one be true if there was another before it? That's all I have to say about it. As you said, people follow religion to feel comfortable and happy in their own lives. I can respect that, but I don't need it.

Leader said:

He was applying that to the rest of humanity, which is un-true.

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It's not un-true, how can you say that? A persons belief is fact to themselves therefore proven true to themselves not to everyone else.

Chill said:

It's not un-true, how can you say that? A persons belief is fact to themselves therefore proven true to themselves not to everyone else.

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Asserting that your personal beliefs are true for the rest of humanity is just ignorant.

Leader said:

Asserting that your personal beliefs are true for the rest of humanity is just ignorant.

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He didn't specifically say that though, if your beliefs work for you then you'd 'assume' they'd be the same for everyone else. We don't all go through life's experiencing the same obstacles, we have to remember if someone comes by one and finds strength in themselves from a higher power hen you'd have to 'believe' of this being the case. God making you happy. If you're brought up a believer, chances are you'll stay like that.