My view on religion.

Chill said:

He didn't specifically say that though, if your beliefs work for you then you'd 'assume' they'd be the same for everyone else. We don't all go through life's experiencing the same obstacles, we have to remember if someone comes by one and finds strength in themselves from a higher power hen you'd have to 'believe' of this being the case. God making you happy. If you're brought up a believer, chances are you'll stay like that.

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You really assume that? You assume because something makes you happy, it must make everyone else happy? Reading makes me happy, lots of people hate reading. Science makes me happy, lots of people hate science. Where's the logic?

Leader said:

You really assume that? You assume because something makes you happy, it must make everyone else happy? Reading makes me happy, lots of people hate reading. Science makes me happy, lots of people hate science. Where's the logic?

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I never said that, what's good for one is good for the other. I said he'd assume it was the same for others. Meaning other people have the same beliefs as him.

I myself don't believe in God or any of that crap just for the simple reason I haven't seen him do anything for me. Believe me, I went to a christian school and I just don't believe in it.

I do believe in other peoples beliefs, because I've witnessed it on many occasion. If @Premortal wants to have his own beliefs he can. No one said he couldn't.

This section should stay clear of the whole God topic because it doesn't matter what anyone says it cannot be proven Fact or Fiction, simple as that. That goes for everyone's beliefs too, other than you yourself, no one can tell you that it's bullshit. You MUST have a reason for having a belief? Correct? So then why is it bullshit/un-true as you say?

Chill said:

I never said that, what's good for one is good for the other. I said he'd assume it was the same for others. Meaning other people have the same beliefs as him.

I myself don't believe in God or any of that crap just for the simple reason I haven't seen him do anything for me. Believe me, I went to a christian school and I just don't believe in it.

I do believe in other peoples beliefs, because I've witnessed it on many occasion. If @Premortal wants to have his own beliefs he can. No one said he couldn't.

This section should stay clear of the whole God topic because it doesn't matter what anyone says it cannot be proven Fact or Fiction, simple as that. That goes for everyone's beliefs too, other than you yourself, no one can tell you that it's bullshit. You MUST have a reason for having a belief? Correct? So then why is it bullshit/un-true as you say?

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Everyone's beliefs are diverse. There's no reason to think that one set of beliefs is superior or make others happy, etc.

Believe in a god, that's fine. I just think religion is a plague, but that's for another thread.

The existence of a god is the most debated topic for a reason, it's extremely important to us. Whether or not it can be proven, the evidence definitely points in a certain direction. Nothing, let me repeat that, NOTHING can be proven as fact. Even if you have a reason to believe in a god, that doesn't make it true. I can definitely tell someone that their belief that white people are superior is bullshit, or that their hatred for homosexuals is bullshit. It may be true in their minds, but our minds don't necessarily portray reality; that's where faith comes in.

Thank you guys for this good info. Existence of God is always a Question for humans.

1. We can not touch and see pain but we can feel it.
2. We can not see respect but we can give and take.
3. Mother cares for her kids but that care we can't touch.
4. What we are thinking is actually present but we can't see that " Thinking "
5. The idea which developed in brain is actually not available unless we write it down, but still the idea which developed by brain cells is not available to see.
6. Human is watching through Fat ( Eyes ) , talking though Protien ( Tounge ) and Listening through Bones ( Ear ), but legs have bones cant hear , full body is having protien but cant talk and fat on your tummy can't watch else it will feel to exercise and reduce itself .. LOLS
7. The dialouges which we are speaking are not available to see and touch.
8. Your dreams u can see but you can't make it available for others too see.

So many things are there which are having no matter to touch or see, but they exist.

I am true believer of God bcoz i know him. ( by default we are using " him " but we know God have no sexual definition. Sex is designed for human to Produce its own kind , that is what we took and develop softwares )

Dalton's Theory of Evolution too said that Mass got hitted by an external force , who produced that force is not defined. Its logical nothing can move without energy who gave that first energy .. still human need to define it.

One basic thing is this , If there is no god we all are equal only thing is religious people will got there time wasted on worships, and we all are safe from punishments of sin/crime we have done. But if God is present still relgious people will remain safe but non religious .. God knows what he will do with them ... (*_*)

As per my own research god is stable , he made brain he have no brain. He is not changing his decisions as he is not taking decisions , he is one who order to do something and things got designed, bcoz he gave brain to us to think good or bad , profit or loss so we are getting problem in taking decision. God made only one religion , human arrogant nature made many from that one.

Like i said many other's logical people already said these words from ages , but human nature is not listen and follow whatever he/she want, so obvious those who want to think can get many points from my post. But those who are one tact brain , there is a doubt if there brain cells are still alive ?

There is no loving god that watches over us and loves us unconditionally. Positive divine intervention does not exist. One can draw this conclusion quite confidently just by living. However, the possibility of an evil god cannot be disproven. There could be a god that does intervene, and watches over us all with malicious intent. Or, there could be a creator, which is far different from a god (which implies worship and divine intervention) who just put us here for who knows what reason. It is important to note that this hypothetical "creator" is not to be worshipped, thus no religion needed.

Or, there could be no evil god, and no creator. Personally I welcome the idea of a creator, but not a god. I "label" myself as an Agnostic Atheist, and more importantly, an Anti Theist.

@Pastlife : so your life is aimless. You are like other animals who born to bite and produce.

A presence of brain with ideas developement itself is saying we are for some mission. And every mission have an aim. All we need to know what is our aim, Just bcoz almost 90% human are lazy they dont want to think .. what is mission what is aim etc .. So they have one best way denie god and remain easy. That is why you can see religious people are not feeling easy just bcoz they have mission and aim.

Everyone will know one day .. but may be that day is too late to rethink.

jclick said:

@Pastlife : so your life is aimless. You are like other animals who born to bite and produce.

A presence of brain with ideas developement itself is saying we are for some mission. And every mission have an aim. All we need to know what is our aim, Just bcoz almost 90% human are lazy they dont want to think .. what is mission what is aim etc .. So they have one best way denie god and remain easy. That is why you can see religious people are not feeling easy just bcoz they have mission and aim.

Everyone will know one day .. but may be that day is too late to rethink.

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People like you have it burned into your fucking brains that you need someone to worship in order to have a purpose. Brainwashed. Its ironic that you talk about there being a "mission" and people being too lazy to pursue it. I see your people (the religious) sitting, waiting, praying, hoping for something to happen, while mine (the non religious) are the ones striving to find out more about the universe, conducting experiments, questioning everything. You cannot correlate worship with ambition, because you are on the losing end when it comes to results. Maybe we have no purpose, maybe we are just the first species to evolve into intelligent beings on our tiny little pebble of Earth. Do realize how big the universe is? How illogical and arrogan of you to believe that you and I are special enough to have our own god that tends to us and monitors our lives. It takes a great measure of honesty and humbleness to admit that we do not know everything, and that there is a great chance that we are all insignificant beings with the ability to ponder life (consciousness) You must be a wizard because you seem to have connected the dots here. Please explain to me where you derive the direct relationship between our existence and god.

Gosh this thread is so amazing @Plague I agree with everything you say O_O why do we need religion? :.//

Pastlife said:

People like you have it burned into your fucking brains that you need someone to worship in order to have a purpose. Brainwashed. Its ironic that you talk about there being a "mission" and people being too lazy to pursue it. I see your people (the religious) sitting, waiting, praying, hoping for something to happen, while mine (the non religious) are the ones striving to find out more about the universe, conducting experiments, questioning everything. You cannot correlate worship with ambition, because you are on the losing end when it comes to results. Maybe we have no purpose, maybe we are just the first species to evolve into intelligent beings on our tiny little pebble of Earth. Do realize how big the universe is? How illogical and arrogan of you to believe that you and I are special enough to have our own god that tends to us and monitors our lives. It takes a great measure of honesty and humbleness to admit that we do not know everything, and that there is a great chance that we are all insignificant beings with the ability to ponder life (consciousness) You must be a wizard because you seem to have connected the dots here. Please explain to me where you derive the direct relationship between our existence and god.

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Do human still need a mother and father to get born ? Why is that necessary when we can make Dolly Sheep with the Cells. The word " Fuck " is not properly getting used these days, its ok i found most non religious people are easy to use that word.

So you think Religious people are not into science, Not doing researches and not discovering things. Every Human need a platform to think else he will never. When u will feed data into computer then computer will give result without feeding data nothing will come out.

The simple question is All of sudden all this Data which u can see in this present world came from nothing ? As u said there is no God means the data came from where ? The first energy came from where ?

I dont know if u read this thread from beginning read my very first post and think again , i am in proper sense and logical.

If we can not see Japan from USA that does'nt means Japan is not there. If we can not see Pain with eyes that doesn't means pain is not there. But bcoz it is not having any visible body so we can feel but can't see. We made wire to transform data through it and when we made air to transform data into it ? If Air can tranform data through Wifi who designed it ? Ear have a bone through which we can hear sound .. take leg bone and make it possible to hear from it , is this possible ? Take a dead body make it alive is this in human hand ? A sperm is having heart ? Brain ? Limbs ? a Female ovule is having those things ?

My dear that is an impossible thing so much big universe get designed all of sudden without any power and that power who designed it is known as GOD.

We are not hoping god will solve it, If u read religious books u can see , God instruct us to do our work like farming which god told to human very first. We are not worshipping god due to fear but for thanks bcoz he gave us the idea, the concept.

Why u are paying sorry when someone got hurted by you ? do u have fear he will punish u ?

jclick said:

I dont know if u read this thread from beginning read my very first post and think again , i am in proper sense and logical.

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I read your first post and couldn't understand a single word.

jclick said:

My dear that is an impossible thing so much big universe get designed all of sudden without any power and that power who designed it is known as GOD.

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It's actually not impossible. I don't know if you've ever heard of things like the Big Bang or evolution, but they are both natural, explainable processes that can explain the size and complexity of certain things in the universe, without the intervention of the divine. To be fair, science doesn't have all the answers, but we certainly know the basics of how the universe come to be.

Leader said:

I read your first post and couldn't understand a single word.

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May be bcoz u don't want to understand. its upto u, no body is forcing you to accept religion or not. We are discussing things as healthy issue and i am taking part from religious end.

Leader said:

It's actually not impossible. I don't know if you've ever heard of things like the Big Bang or evolution, but they are both natural, explainable processes that can explain the size and complexity of certain things in the universe, without the intervention of the divine. To be fair, science doesn't have all the answers, but we certainly know the basics of how the universe come to be.

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Yes that i have included in my previous texts, Dalton Theory Of Evolution. If i am not wrong, Dalton too added in last lines of his book the first energy which explode the mass came from where is still need to research. When nothing was there how that energy got generated to explode.

jclick said:

Yes that i have included in my previous texts, Dalton Theory Of Evolution. If i am not wrong, Dalton too added in last lines of his book the first energy which explode the mass came from where is still need to research. When nothing was there how that energy got generated to explode.

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I'm trying to decipher what you're saying, but it's quite difficult. First of all, Dalton developed Atomic Theory, whereas Darwin developed the Theory of Evolution. I literally cannot understand what you're trying to explain, either due to extremely poor grammar or a misunderstanding of the English language. I can't debate someone I can't understand.

jclick said:

Do human still need a mother and father to get born ? Why is that necessary when we can make Dolly Sheep with the Cells. The word " Fuck " is not properly getting used these days, its ok i found most non religious people are easy to use that word.

So you think Religious people are not into science, Not doing researches and not discovering things. Every Human need a platform to think else he will never. When u will feed data into computer then computer will give result without feeding data nothing will come out.

The simple question is All of sudden all this Data which u can see in this present world came from nothing ? As u said there is no God means the data came from where ? The first energy came from where ?

I dont know if u read this thread from beginning read my very first post and think again , i am in proper sense and logical.

If we can not see Japan from USA that does'nt means Japan is not there. If we can not see Pain with eyes that doesn't means pain is not there. But bcoz it is not having any visible body so we can feel but can't see. We made wire to transform data through it and when we made air to transform data into it ? If Air can tranform data through Wifi who designed it ? Ear have a bone through which we can hear sound .. take leg bone and make it possible to hear from it , is this possible ? Take a dead body make it alive is this in human hand ? A sperm is having heart ? Brain ? Limbs ? a Female ovule is having those things ?

My dear that is an impossible thing so much big universe get designed all of sudden without any power and that power who designed it is known as GOD.

We are not hoping god will solve it, If u read religious books u can see , God instruct us to do our work like farming which god told to human very first. We are not worshipping god due to fear but for thanks bcoz he gave us the idea, the concept.

Why u are paying sorry when someone got hurted by you ? do u have fear he will punish u ?

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1.) This is where that dose of honesty comes in. I told you, I dont know. Neither do you. The difference here is that you compensate for your lack of knowledge by filling in the blanks with god. I made it clear that I dont deny the possibility of a creator. Now it is your turn to answer your own question. "The first energy came from where?" Where did god come from?

2.) I can fly to Japan. I can feel pain. I can connect to WiFi. I can have physical interactions with all these things. Humans evolved and adapted to inherit those body parts and abilities to benefit ourselves and to survive. Yes, a sperm cell in combination with an ovary does grow to be an organism with a heart, a brain, and limbs. If you dont understand how this process works I suggest to take a simple biology class. You know better. You just choose to ignore the practical explanations for things, and credit things you find fascinating to a deity whom you wish to worship. The world is a beautiful place and life is sometimes a beautiful thing. That does not warrant the worship of a deity who you can not see, touch, taste, or talk to. You are being silly, ridiculous and childish in your beliefs. May I ask, as a very basic example, why whales have hind legs? Dont tell me you believe in leviathans.

Pastlife said:

1.) This is where that dose of honesty comes in. I told you, I dont know. Neither do you. The difference here is that you compensate for your lack of knowledge by filling in the blanks with god. I made it clear that I dont deny the possibility of a creator. Now it is your turn to answer your own question. "The first energy came from where?" Where did god come from?

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Can we take out Autocad designs from Tally Software ? No , bcoz we have not feeded the data which required to understand Autocad designs. So the Question where god come from is dependent on if he feeded the data in our brain or not. But he gave that Data in his Holy books through messengers. But Why we accept those books when we dont believe in God and his messengers.

To contact our robots we are installing chips in them so that they can understand our input through which they can work. Those chips are messenger which translate our input into machinery language. So God send messenger who can teach us what God want from a human being.

Pastlife said:

2.) I can fly to Japan. I can feel pain. I can connect to WiFi. I can have physical interactions with all these things. Humans evolved and adapted to inherit those body parts and abilities to benefit ourselves and to survive. Yes, a sperm cell in combination with an ovary does grow to be an organism with a heart, a brain, and limbs. If you dont understand how this process works I suggest to take a simple biology class. You know better. You just choose to ignore the practical explanations for things, and credit things you find fascinating to a deity whom you wish to worship. The world is a beautiful place and life is sometimes a beautiful thing. That does not warrant the worship of a deity who you can not see, touch, taste, or talk to. You are being silly, ridiculous and childish in your beliefs. May I ask, as a very basic example, why whales have hind legs? Dont tell me you believe in leviathans.

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Same thing what i am saying and u repeated it. I was asking who gave this Air ability to move data ? it was from beginning and we recently discovered it. And we know without Inventions and creation nothing can came to existence , this is what science is saying .. then how come that Air got that ability ? I hope u got my point. That same embryology is written in religious books even before human discovered it.

Leader said:

I'm trying to decipher what you're saying, but it's quite difficult. First of all, Dalton developed Atomic Theory, whereas Darwin developed the Theory of Evolution. I literally cannot understand what you're trying to explain, either due to extremely poor grammar or a misunderstanding of the English language. I can't debate someone I can't understand.

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yes you are correct it was Darwin's theory of evolution, i was confused with Dalton and Darwin, I am sorry for that. Yes my English and its grammar is poor bcoz English is not my first language, but i am trying to improve it, and i feel these discussions can make it possible After all i am a human who is designed to learn and improve. So hope one day people can understand me clearly. Anyways i appreciate u respond and participate in this discussion. These kind of discussions gave us a lot of knowledge to think further and research.