Cann!bal said:It doesn't really matter that jet fuel can't melt steel beams when 400,000 pounds of airliner comes crashing at speeds of 500 miles per hour into the building you're in. If you looked furthermore into this case rather than a couple 9/11 conspiracy theory documentaries on YouTube and Netflix, you would see that the official NIST report never claimed the steel melted, rather that the fires weakened the structural integrity of the steel to the point of structural failure.
This video nicely puts why you're dumb and how the towers fell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w
I'm really dumbfounded by the amount of 9/11 truthers there are. It's pretty insane how many people believe in this shit.
Did the One Meridian Plaza happen to be hit by a 400,000 pound Boeing 767 airliner at 500 miles per hour, severing the 15% of the perimeter columns and 20% of the core columns? Or did the One Meridian Plaza happen to have an airliner's worth of jet fuel burning in it? If I remember correctly, I don't think it did. And as demonstrated in the video I posted, the twin towers had a special structure, which aided to its collapse.Yosemite said:Cute video, please explain these anomalies for me than.
Why has fire never caused a steel highrise to collapse, outside of the 9/11 incidents?
Take for example, the infamous One Meridian Plaza.
As documented by FEMA, a fire was reported at around 10:40 PM and then continued to rage on for 19 hours. That's quite a while.
Despite burning for 19 hours, costing 3 firefighter lives, injuring 24 firefighters, and causing millions in property damage, no part of the building ever collapsed.
" It was the largest highrise office building fire in modern
American history -- completely consuming eight floors of the building -- and was controlled only
when it reached a floor that was protected by automatic sprinklers."
- Page 1, Paragraph 1, in FEMA's official report.
Quite interesting that the fire was controlled after reaching automatic sprinklers, after burning through 8 floors.
Also, note that the fire burned for over 9 times as long as the WTC incident.
How could the towers fall after only 2 hours?
Another example, the infamous 9/11 cellphone calls made from the planes.
I find it interesting that so many of these calls were able to make it through, since the likelihood of calls being made and received from commercial airlines in 2001 was not that great.
Let's look at Project Achilles, shall we?
At just 2000 feet, four calls were made. 3/4 calls were able to connect, with 1/4 failing.
However, the 3 that did connect were of very poor quality.
At 4000 feet, another 4 calls were made.
This time, there was a 1/4 success rate. The single call that was able to connect was actually clear this time!
At 6000 feet, 12 calls were made.
Only 2 out of 12 calls were able to connect, and 1 of them was clear.
This means that at 6000 feet, 10 out of 12 calls were not able to connect at all.
At 8000 feet, 0/4 calls were able to connect.
With these poor results, it seems very suspect that many calls were able to be made, let alone be clear enough for conversation from those onboard flights 11 and 77.
Cann!bal said:Did the One Meridian Plaza happen to be hit by a 400,000 pound Boeing 767 airliner at 500 miles per hour, severing the 15% of the perimeter columns and 20% of the core columns? Or did the One Meridian Plaza happen to have an airliner's worth of jet fuel burning in it? If I remember correctly, I don't think it did. And as demonstrated in the video I posted, the twin towers had a special structure, which aided to its collapse.
I don't understand. Is there something wrong with taking two hours? Is it suppose to be more or less? Is this time irregular somehow?
Are you trying to insinuate the passengers were in on it with all this phone shit? Like pre-recorded? If not, I don't see why the reception matters at all.
"Joe’s Law" by Joseph Keith, Retired Aerospace Engineer, June 13, 2008; revised and updated on July 24, 2008
Joe’s Law. It’s immutable. I named it after myself. If it weren’t immutable, I wouldn’t have put my name on it! Before I explain, let me paraphrase what some historically famous people have said. Thomas Jefferson once declared: “Truth needs no defense, only lies need to be protected.” The famous German philosopher Schopenhauer once explained: “Truth goes through three stages; first it’s violently opposed, then it’s highly ridiculed, and finally it’s accepted as an obvious fact.” Adolph Hitler once wrote: “Little people tell only little lies. They don’t dare tell big lies because they justifiably think that nobody would believe them. However, when big people, or Governments, tell big lies, little people believe them because they think that nobody would say something so outlandish unless it was an absolute truth.”
At present we are faced with refuting probably the biggest lie of all time: 19 Arabs armed with box cutters hijacked four airliners and crashed three of them into buildings, but were thwarted in the fourth airliner by passenger herorics. Oh, I forgot, they were led by tall bearded Arab who lived in a cave in Afghanistan whose intel improvised a stand down by the U. S. Air Force’s NORAD. And, unfortunately, a great many of the little people believe this BIG LIE. In defending this lie, The Media are putting THE TRUTH through its second stage, the ridicule stage. But, of course, this lie really needs defending! If it had any semblance of truth it could stand on its own.
Now, let me get on by explaining Joe’s Law. Joe’s Law is a consolidation, into one law, of Isaac Newton’s three laws of motion, which are: 1. An object in motion remains in motion until acted upon by a force. 2. When a force is applied to an object, the object accelerates in the direction of the force until the force is removed. 3. Every action creates an opposite an equal reaction. I concocted Joe’s Law in order to destroy the BIG LIE and get to the truth. Thusly, Joe’s Law states: “AIRPLANES DON’T MELD INTO STEEL AND CONCRETE BUILDINGS, THEY CRASH AGAINST THEM!” By now, I suspect that you have figured out that I formulated Joe’s Law for the expressed reason to expose the televised fakery of the 9/11/01 debacle. So, here’s how to apply Joe’s Law in order to find the truth: Buy a DVD of this 9/11/01 debacle. Any DVD of that catastrophic event will do.
However, my favorite one is: In Memoriam, New York City, 9/11/01. I like this one because Mayor Rudy Giuliani is the narrator, which gives it good official credibility; and the alleged crash of United Flight 175 is forthcoming in about four minutes, so you don’t have to waste a lot of time waiting. Play the DVD, and when the plane first comes into view, hit the pause button on your remote and then do the following: Mark the screen at the tip of the plane’s nose and then use your remote’s single step button to advance the plane while you count the frames it takes for the airliner to fly its own length. Then just keep hitting the single step until the plane just touches the tower, and then count the steps it takes for the plane to be completely absorbed into the tower, all the while noticing what happens to the immediate environment during each single step. Wow! What astounding truth you will become aware of!
You will learn that the plane takes the same number of frames to fly its own length through thin air as it does to fly through the steel and concrete tower, thus violating Newton’s first and second laws of motion. You will see a plane that seemingly flies directly into the face of a half million ton building without decelerating. You will also notice that the plane causes no damage to itself or the tower as it melds into it; and even though the plane enters at an angle, the leading wing causes no reaction as it first strikes the tower, thus violating Newton’s third law of motion. In fact, you will see no reactions whatsoever caused by the plane smoothly gliding into the building. You will also notice that no objects are falling during this smooth entry. Thus, Joe’s Law, which is absolutely immutable, appears to have been violated(1). This result can only be described as TV fakery!
Now, you may ask: “What good does proving TV fakery do? We already know that 9/11 was an inside job.” Well, here’s what it does: It not only shows U. S. Government complicity, but it also shows the co-complicity of The Establishment Media. And, because of this The Media have, albeit not so cleverly, designed a last resort method to protect itself. It claims to have proof that all videos which show frontal WTC2 vies of Flight 175 entering the tower were taken by freelance reporters and sold, along with all rights, to their networks. The name of these freelancers(2) are: Michael Hezarkhani, Evan Fairbanks, and Luc Couchesne. The Media’s defense will be: “We didn’t fake these videos, we merely bought them, believing them to be actual videos of the catastrophe as it occurred!” The question now is: When this fakery is exposed, will the little people still believe THE BIG LIE?
For those of you searching for the truth, I am offering a reward of $5000 to anyone who can provide me with a video of an airliner that crashes into WTC2 without violating Joe’s Law. Proof of date of origination must be provided.
(1) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=72wfcpR_cnIA video showing that Joe’s Law is immutable.
(2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt4XGnqtm-EFreelancer’s videos in real time and slow motion
After 10 minutes, but I don't see how that time is necessarily relevant when there was 15,000 gallons of jet fuel and a supply of resources for the fire to continue.Yosemite said:Experts say most of the jet fuel was gone after the initial hits and explosions.
Yes, 2 hours IS an irregular time for the collapse, considering One Meridian Plaza burned for 19 hours with NO collapses.
I'm not insinuating that the passengers were in on it, more that the calls were faked.
The calls more than likely did not happen.
The cell phone calls were more than likely fake, because the reception is so bad up there.
Not to mention the Betty Ong call, she does not sound distressed whatsoever. She sounds calm, not like a person that has just witnessed 3 stabbings.
Please give this a listen, and explain how someone could be so calm after seeing 3 people being stabbed and having trouble breathing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Tr0u35Tek
The towers would have fallen over if it was a result of the impact, not down as if it was a controlled demolition.
I'd like to hear your explanation on the traces of thermite found at ground zero.
How about the fact that a couple weeks before the attacks, there had been multiple evacuation drills in case of an incident like this?
Shortly before 9/11, Cheney had made it so that he alone was in charge of NORAD and the ability to tell them whether to stand down or to attack hijacked aircrafts, and made it so that the generals had no say whatsoever. That doesn't strike you as being odd?
I refuse to believe the fires and the impact just magically made the towers collapse, especially within that small of a timeframe.
Here is a post, by one of Boeings lead engineers.
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