Leader said:Fear of death is one of the main reasons that religion still exists. It gives people fake consolation for times when they don't know who to turn to.
Michael said:It's better then believing we'll rot in the ground for all eternity.
Leader said:That doesn't make it any more true. Comfort is not equal to truth.
Michael said:It does to many people. Thousands, hell even millions of people. I don't think we should banter about Religion on a thread like this, though.
Sin said:@Leader @Michael
IT is better to believe in something than nothing. Who knows maybe it will be real, and if not it wont even affect you.
Leader said:This thread has everything to do with religion, mate.
I would much rather know the truth than be lied to in order to make me feel better.
Michael said:Not it does not. I seemingly expressed my opinion on the simple fact that we're all going to cease too exist. Nothing about the past life has been mentioned because I knew it would stir a lot of bullshit. I just want opinions on what people think of everyone dying.
Cann!bal said:I've accepted death. It's not all that monstrous and scary when you essentially devalorize it by accepting the reality of it. I have not labeled being remembered as a standard or expectation, so I have nothing to be upset for, in regards of being remembered leastways. Truthfully, the ambition to be is seemingly selfish.
I don't see why this thought holds such a burden on your conscience nor would scare you so seeing how you believe in the afterlife.
Michael said:Me, I'm personally fine and I know that death will come but I don't like the fact that my family is also going to go. Relatives, friends, etc.
Cann!bal said:"One's death from an afterlife-believer's perspective should be a time of celebration if anything, not a time of mourning. The believer would only be away from their beloved for an infinitesimally miniscule epoch, in comparison of the eternity they'll be spending with each other in the afterlife. It would actually be incredibly self-centered and rude to mourn someone, in comparison of one who mourns the loss of a beloved one and does not believe in the afterlife. Thus, mourning from an afterlife-believer's perspective is extensively immoral.
The afterlife-believer thinks once they die, they'll be spending eternity with their beloved, therefore, how is death a bad thing? It's the transition stage to entering the supposedly greatest place in existence. Whilst the non-believer thinks this is their only life, and would be burning in purgatory for eternity according to the afterlife-believer's ideology."
http://www.forumkorner.com/thread-141415.html
Michael said:Maybe I should've stated most of my family are non believers.
Cann!bal said:The Pope has stated even heathens of Christianity are capable of entering heaven. (However, truthfully, this contradicts Christian scripture entirely.) Howbeit, even if he is wrong, it's impossible to empathize with them for you'll be heaven. You have no choice but to be happy for you'll be with God, as Christian dogma dictates. Pain, plague, suffering, adverse feelings, anxiety, mourning, fear, heartache, along with freewill cease in the afterlife. The subtleties of life and the intricacies of emotion die in the "paradise" that is heaven. We become robotic drones devoid of choice, controlled by a murderous and omnipotent celestial dictator who finds an eternity of hellfire an acceptable and reasonable punishment for not believing in him; given the sole proofs, despite them contradicting reality and science, he provided us were manifested to us by desert-located, unreliable, unintelligent and semi-stupefied peasants in the middle of nowhere thousands of millennia ago randomly, after waiting 13.8 billion years and letting all those who lived before his manifestation to us unknowingly ticket themselves a voyage to hell to burn forever for something they knew nothing about, and finds blind faith to be a reasonable tool of determining who deserves to accompany him in heaven. Hence enabling illogic and ill-reason, (the concepts that initiate atrocities) and devalorizing logic and reason, (the concepts that prohibit atrocities).
If the Pope's correct, then I don't want to live in heaven for God's injustice. I refuse to worship a monstrosity. I want to be able to feel sadness; I want to be able to feel pain; I want to be able to suffer; I want to be able to fear the monsters; I want to be able to cry because I got hurt; I want to be able to be heartbroken because she said no. I don't want to be a robotic drone colorless of emotion's intricacies and life's subtleties. Heaven is embodied as an utopia, however, a paradise that lacks freewill and justice is not a paradise at all; rather a masqueraded dystopia. These same qualities are reflectable in all dystopias, i.e Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Mussolini in Italy, Castro in Cuba, the Church in the Dark Ages, North Korea, all brainwashed worlds, all theocracies, and all dictatorships.
We're so extensively deluded that we're willing to discriminate and murder for a religious dogma that can't be proven, and happily so. The destruction it causes when exhibited, rather than deteriorates faith, strengthens faith. When in the face of fear, we pray to God to stop and help, bringing the alike closer, deluding ourselves furthermore. It makes fools feel wise for it dictates absolutes, and invalidly, yet validly in the eyes of our world justifies all things wrong, i.e honor rape, murder, genocide, bigotry and discrimination, injustice. It double-standardizes all notions that should cause doubt. It's a malignant cancer guised with fruitfulness and benevolence. It's that ideal and fearsome. Its true self is rarely manifested. I am confident when I say religion is man's grandest miscreation.
If the world was not so desensitized to religious beliefs to find religion as an acceptable insanity nor as indoctrinated and brainwashed as we are, you would probably be calling an insane asylum your home for your beliefs. I encourage that you thoroughly and objectively attempt to skepticize the reason and logic of your beliefs for they are overabundant in ill-reason and illogic.
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