• Welcome to ForumKorner!
    Join today and become a part of the community.

Who Satan Really Is

madocca12

Member
Reputation
0
So who is Satan? Well, I've heard some say Satan is the "root of all evil." I've also heard people say Satan is a fallen angel who is the arch enemy of God. Let's stop and give it some thought. The only way Satan could become the arch enemy of God is if God created angles with free will. And, if God is the Almighty and Everlasting God, Creator and Sustainer of the entire universe, then doesn't He have the power to just destroy Satan just by saying Satan should cease to exist? Isn't God perfect? Well, Orthodox Judaism believes that God is perfect, and that angels do NOT have free will. (To side track, Jewish tradition believes that humans are even greater than angels, precisely because we have free will and the power to decide whether we serve God properly and earn eternal reward, or to disobey God and get punished. Angels don't have the ability to earn eternal reward, and they therefore only exist for their particular missions that God commands them to do. This is very difficult to explain, but angels are merely a representation of the Divine will). If that's the case, then who is Satan?
The answer to this question is easy to comprehend and beautiful for those who truly wish to believe it. Angels do not have free will. Angels perform certain tasks that God commands them to perform (we won't get into the details). Satan was also given a task (and he is one heck of a master at what he does). Satan's task is to test us humans with various passions, cravings, and pleasures that ultimately disconnect ourselves from God and spiritual strivings by giving in too much to this world. This world is not the only existence. After we die, we go to a much better place. But what we earn in that much better place depends on how we behaved in this world. The simple understanding of Satan is that Satan's task is to try to make us sin. However, that is not entirely accurate. According to Orthodox Judaism, when Satan says "sin," he's really saying "DON'T sin and let me see you become great by passing my test." This is mind boggling! Everyone has assumed that Satan is evil. No. What Satan presents to us is evil; all he's doing is carrying out his mission in giving us humans the opportunities for real spiritual growth. Human beings have natural tendencies and cravings, just like animals. What really makes us great is when we transform ourselves from an animal being to a spiritual being; we transform our bodies into holy beings. It is precisely overcoming our natural tendencies to do the will of God that gains us the eternal benefits that we all desire.
One may ask, "Well, if Satan is not the cause of all evil, then how come bad things happen in the world (like illness, crime, natural disasters, terrorism, etc.). How can God, Who is perfectly good, allow such things to happen?"
The answer is not easy, but God truly is the ultimate Source of all goodness. But when bad things happen, we tend to lose our faith for a slight moment. Why? Because we can't perceive God as being bad. It must be Satan is the one who did it. No. What we perceive (with our limited human intelligence) to be bad is really part of God's Master Plan for the world. Whatever happens to a person is for his/her ultimate benefit. Although we may not see the good now, sometime later, the goodness will be revealed, either later in life through some insight into past and present events, or when we leave this world and heaven tells us the goodness. If we view the events in our lives that way, that Satan is really (quietly) cheering us on to overcome his tests, then life becomes much more beautiful. The reason why God allows bad things to happen sometimes is not about Him being angry and a God Who likes to punish. God wants everyone to earn the most pleasurable thing imaginable: basking in His Glory in the World to Come. We can't understand what that means, but the Sages say that one moment in the World to Come is more pleasurable than all the pleasures ever since the creation of the world placed into a bottle. God wants us to enjoy that, but not if we aren't first cleansed of our sins.
I hope this has given you an insight into the role Satan plays in Orthodox Judaism, and I hope my explanations can help give meaning to those in search for it.
 

malditaka09

Member
Reputation
0
Satan his original name is lucifer.he was once an angel and very important angel when god created the earth he was showing more interest in us then the angels.Lucifer thought that god was showing to much interst in us then himself.When god told Adam and Eve not to eat the forbidden fruit he was testing if they would listen to him.Lucifer wanted to make them humans eat it so god would be angry with them and show no interest.So lucifer came in the form of a snake and tryied to manipulate Adan and eve to eat the fruit.When God found out about what Lucifer did he threw Lucifer ut of heaven and he became what we all know him now as Satan or the devil.Lucifer went against God and he was punished to rule the underworld for people selfish like him
 

shijack

Member
Reputation
0
Satan is one Alloh creation before human. They live in heaven. But when Alloh create Adam, and told the angel,satan, and genie to bow down and show their respect to Adam only satan who resist it. He told to Alloh that he was so much greater than Adam. because he made from fire and adam just from dust. Alloh wrath and repel satanfrom heaven, and send them to hell.
Satan willing to comply Alloh order but he wish to Alloh that Alloh give then Imortal life so satan and his descendant, so he can seduce human ( Adam descenden ) and make them sent to hell like them.
So Satan is the inhabitants of hell and the imortal in it.
 
Reputation
0
Satan is not a person or a monster or an angel.
satan is the bad part of any human.
like when you want a cookie but you're not allowed to do it, and you do it anyway
god is the good part of any human.
like when you want a cookie but you're not allowed to eat it, and you resist the urges to eat it.

its all in the brain brothers
thats the best possible explaination for it all :)
 

anjville

Active Member
Reputation
0
dvlsupportlordebil said:
Satan is not a person or a monster or an angel.
satan is the bad part of any human.
like when you want a cookie but you're not allowed to do it, and you do it anyway
god is the good part of any human.
like when you want a cookie but you're not allowed to eat it, and you resist the urges to eat it.

its all in the brain brothers
thats the best possible explaination for it all :)

I was reminded about this post that it is related to psychoanalytic theory..
if I am not mistaken it pertains to the superego, id and the ego.

Anyway, as it was told by my mom before, Satan is the fallen angel who went against God because he thinks that he is more powerful than God. He is the bearer of light, Angel Lucifer. He gathered his army and fought against God but eventually he was defeated by St. Michael, the Archangel.
 
Reputation
0
Satan is derived from Arabic Word 'Saitan' which means evil. There are songs and poems sung by devils those were written by Salman Rushdie in his novel 'The Satanic Verses'
 

armarasrar1

Member
Reputation
0
Well I think it is our true rival who oppose us and i think the biggest Satan is our own Bad Stuffs that is thinking bad about others
 

A K Rao

Member
Reputation
0
Satan is a symbolic representation of evil, criminal and negative parts of a human being! To become a good Human being we need to kill the Satan means we need to sun these bad habits ! Thanks !
 

maple

Member
Reputation
0
I believe Satan is the negative part which all human being have but we have to overcome that with positive force..In everything we can find good and bad side..
 

markirinekfc

Member
Reputation
0
As my understanding, satan was an inner soul for evil.In this world, satan can pretend as politician, teachers, soldier or even a very powerful person. He can ruin our lives, if we can't control ourselves to make bad things to others.
 

shakib

Member
Reputation
0
oh ma god its an long topic about satan .satan is nota human being at all ,satan is like an devil they cant be human being satan is really bad things for us they forced us to do bad things
 

ladyness

Member
Reputation
0
he is the bad guy who whispers to your ears to do evil. He dictates you to do bad things, choose wrong decisions, to lie, steal, fight to whoever you dislike. he ruins your life. he puts your soul to hell. That's what i understand about that satan.
 

rose09

Member
Reputation
0
madocca12 said:
So who is Satan? Well, I've heard some say Satan is the "root of all evil." I've also heard people say Satan is a fallen angel who is the arch enemy of God. Let's stop and give it some thought. The only way Satan could become the arch enemy of God is if God created angles with free will. And, if God is the Almighty and Everlasting God, Creator and Sustainer of the entire universe, then doesn't He have the power to just destroy Satan just by saying Satan should cease to exist? Isn't God perfect? Well, Orthodox Judaism believes that God is perfect, and that angels do NOT have free will. (To side track, Jewish tradition believes that humans are even greater than angels, precisely because we have free will and the power to decide whether we serve God properly and earn eternal reward, or to disobey God and get punished. Angels don't have the ability to earn eternal reward, and they therefore only exist for their particular missions that God commands them to do. This is very difficult to explain, but angels are merely a representation of the Divine will). If that's the case, then who is Satan?
The answer to this question is easy to comprehend and beautiful for those who truly wish to believe it. Angels do not have free will. Angels perform certain tasks that God commands them to perform (we won't get into the details). Satan was also given a task (and he is one heck of a master at what he does). Satan's task is to test us humans with various passions, cravings, and pleasures that ultimately disconnect ourselves from God and spiritual strivings by giving in too much to this world. This world is not the only existence. After we die, we go to a much better place. But what we earn in that much better place depends on how we behaved in this world. The simple understanding of Satan is that Satan's task is to try to make us sin. However, that is not entirely accurate. According to Orthodox Judaism, when Satan says "sin," he's really saying "DON'T sin and let me see you become great by passing my test." This is mind boggling! Everyone has assumed that Satan is evil. No. What Satan presents to us is evil; all he's doing is carrying out his mission in giving us humans the opportunities for real spiritual growth. Human beings have natural tendencies and cravings, just like animals. What really makes us great is when we transform ourselves from an animal being to a spiritual being; we transform our bodies into holy beings. It is precisely overcoming our natural tendencies to do the will of God that gains us the eternal benefits that we all desire.
One may ask, "Well, if Satan is not the cause of all evil, then how come bad things happen in the world (like illness, crime, natural disasters, terrorism, etc.). How can God, Who is perfectly good, allow such things to happen?"
The answer is not easy, but God truly is the ultimate Source of all goodness. But when bad things happen, we tend to lose our faith for a slight moment. Why? Because we can't perceive God as being bad. It must be Satan is the one who did it. No. What we perceive (with our limited human intelligence) to be bad is really part of God's Master Plan for the world. Whatever happens to a person is for his/her ultimate benefit. Although we may not see the good now, sometime later, the goodness will be revealed, either later in life through some insight into past and present events, or when we leave this world and heaven tells us the goodness. If we view the events in our lives that way, that Satan is really (quietly) cheering us on to overcome his tests, then life becomes much more beautiful. The reason why God allows bad things to happen sometimes is not about Him being angry and a God Who likes to punish. God wants everyone to earn the most pleasurable thing imaginable: basking in His Glory in the World to Come. We can't understand what that means, but the Sages say that one moment in the World to Come is more pleasurable than all the pleasures ever since the creation of the world placed into a bottle. God wants us to enjoy that, but not if we aren't first cleansed of our sins.
I hope this has given you an insight into the role Satan plays in Orthodox Judaism, and I hope my explanations can help give meaning to those in search for it.
There is no greater blessing in this world than preventing Satan to corrupt our soul. Satan, the arch fiend, is the symbol of Evil. He revolted against God, and so he was thrown out of Eden. He instigated Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit and disobey God. This first disobedience brought death and other evils on our earth.
 

sommerlive

Member
Reputation
0
He is the father of lies and the corrupter of souls. A creation that thinks he is above his Creator and worthy of worship and praise. Once an archangel now fallen who's sole goal is to make God out to be a liar and to take as many souls as he can to hell with him.
 
Top