Why the US needs Ron Paul

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1. The most important problem this country has right now, the federal reserve. The Federal Reserve is not actually ran by the government and is owned by private banks of which are completely unknown. They have complete free will to print any amount of american dollars they see fit with nobody telling them otherwise. When there actually was a semi-audit of the federal reserve, 16 TRILLION dollars were found given secretly to banks and companies world wide to bail them out, with absolutely 0 interest and none of that money has been even partially been paid back. One cannot even comprehend what $16 Trillion can do to the inflation of the US Dollar.

Fact: Since the Federal Reserve was introduced in 1913 inflation has risen by almost 1900%(not implying it was ALL caused by them but a large portion has.)

2. War. Ron Paul is strongly against these war of spoils we are currently involved in. He does not believe we should be fighting these undeclared wars(which is unconstitutional btw) and us being involved in these wars is only gaining us more enemies. We are not the worlds policemen, we have found no "weapons of mass destruction" in these middle east countries we get involved in and it is just killing our own people and wasting our own money. We need to fix our own country before we try to fix people who don't want fixing.

3. War on Drugs. There is no debating the fact that this war on drugs was an absolute and utter failure. It has done nothing but cost America Billions of dollars in the form of police force and prisons. And what has all that money resulted in? Nothing but death. There is still plenty of drugs in this country and all we are doing is promoting violence by making these drug cartels an unbelievable amount of money. Ron Paul wants to end this war on drugs and keep the federal government out of drug policies and leave it to the choice of the individual states.

4. Economy. By backing us out of this war, removing a lot of federal involvement including IRS, FEMA, War on drugs, etc., eventually removing the federal reserve, and possibly removing the fiat monetary system can help stabilize the economy. We won't have a system printing money out of thin air devaluing our currency and causing massive inflation. He is also strongly against debt spending and thinks we should actually live within our means.

5. Chuck Norris and Clint Eastwood support, need I say more? :3

6. Listen. Listen to him in some of the republican primary debates compared to the other candidates. He doesn't dance around the questions with bullshit and gets straight to the point. he isn't out there telling people what they want to hear and will tell you what is really going on and what he wants to do about it. Research some of his debates on youtube please if you have not already.

7. Look at these other major candidates. Herman Cain an ex-chairman of the Kansas city(?) Federal Reserve department, is completely intolerant to Muslims, and supports the patriot act taking even more freedoms from Americans. Rick Perry since he became the Governor of Texas has doubled the states total debt, has done nothing towards one of the worst education systems in the country, he's comparable to George Bush. And if I really have to even mention Michelle Bachman just click the back button. Logical choice?

There are dozens of more reasons to vote for Ron Paul but these are the areas I felt like addressing. If your republican and legal to vote in the primaries, please inform me why you would vote for anybody but Ron Paul.

 

[kill4joy KJ]

Your first point is incorrect. There has been no evidence of banks printing currencies, if so, it is a federal crime. Secondly the inflation in 1913. Inflation is the increase of value of items in general, and it has not been caused by the "uncontrollable illegal printing" of the US dollar by banks. Most of it stems to the fact that the US dollar is no longer tied into the gold standard, which allowed the US dollar to become more dynamic. That is why you see gold increasing massively whenever the US dollar drops in value. The problem with the banks are mostly because they provide bad loans, which then put other investments in trouble as well as drop the real-estate value.

Therefor, your first point is largely incorrect and I believe is BS.

P.S. excuse my grammar and spelling, I did not have time to proof-read this.

 

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Your first point is incorrect. There has been no evidence of banks printing currencies, if so, it is a federal crime.

I said the federal reserve prints money which is ran by private banks not the banks themselves...

Secondly the inflation in 1913. Inflation is the increase of value of items in general, and it has not been caused by the "uncontrollable illegal printing" of the US dollar by banks. Most of it stems to the fact that the US dollar is no longer tied into the gold standard, which allowed the US dollar to become more dynamic. That is why you see gold increasing massively whenever the US dollar drops in value. The problem with the banks are mostly because they provide bad loans, which then put other investments in trouble as well as drop the real-estate value.

So your saying printing trillions upon trillions of dollars out of thin air for almost 90 years wouldn't effect inflation? K....
The reason we are off the gold standard was to go into deficit spending and just print more money and there is no possible way for the government to back up the amount of money being printed.

Therefor, your first point is largely incorrect and I believe is BS.

P.S. excuse my grammar and spelling, I did not have time to proof-read this.

I never said banks themselves are printing the money and I don't really see where you got that from. And if your really going to sit here and say $16 trillion dollars being printed within a decade doesn't strongly affect inflation then I am not going to bother replying to you because you clearly have no knowledge of the most basic economic concepts. If you did take some type of economic class you would know the main cause of inflation is printing excess amounts of money causing it too lose value

 

[kill4joy KJ]

"They have complete free will to print any amount of american dollars they see fit."

The printing of money does cause an inflation, but that is not the direct reason why it does so. The gold standard was introduced by our founding fathers to limit the printing of money by linking it in with a precious metal that stays at a relatively stable price throughout history. Secondly you account for the $16T being printed as the biggest reason why there was such inflation, but you did not account for the plethora of other reasons, including, but not limited to: Supply, real estate values, increase of foreign powers(india, china, etc.), as well as the outsourcing of labor, which all have major ties to to inflation as well as the depreciation of the value of the dollar. Finally, you have to account for the normal wages vs. the level of inflation. If the average income is level with the inflation of the products, then the value of the dollar decreases but the general living standards of a normal citizen(either domestic or foreign) remain relatively standard.

Also, I would like to point out that I have not taken an economic class, but yet you criticize my understanding of economics when you clearly have attempted to recite a textbook answer without account any of the major factors of economic development and failure. I have a very good understanding of economics and politics, and I assure you that reading that "inflation is caused by over-printing of money" in a newspaper is not a viable source to base an argument off of.

 

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"They have complete free will to print any amount of american dollars they see fit."

Referring to the federal reserve... They obviously being towards the entire topic of the point, you know the federal reserve.

The printing of money does cause an inflation, but that is not the direct reason why it does so. The gold standard was introduced by our founding fathers to limit the printing of money by linking it in with a precious metal that stays at a relatively stable price throughout history. Secondly you account for the $16T being printed as the biggest reason why there was such inflation, but you did not account for the plethora of other reasons, including, but not limited to: Supply, real estate values, increase of foreign powers(india, china, etc.), as well as the outsourcing of labor, which all have major ties to to inflation as well as the depreciation of the value of the dollar. Finally, you have to account for the normal wages vs. the level of inflation. If the average income is level with the inflation of the products, then the value of the dollar decreases but the general living standards of a normal citizen(either domestic or foreign) remain relatively standard.

Thats exactly my point and is why Ron Paul wants to go back to the gold standard. The Federal Reserve Prints money at its free will and manipulates interest rates which feuls our current boom-bust economy. And where did I say the 16 trillion dollars added was the Biggest cause of inflation? I clearly said it is a big factor which there is no debating its not but nowhere did I claim it is the largest factor in inflation and once again you are putting words in my mouth...

Also, I would like to point out that I have not taken an economic class, but yet you criticize my understanding of economics when you clearly have attempted to recite a textbook answer without account any of the major factors of economic development and failure. I have a very good understanding of economics and politics, and I assure you that reading that "inflation is caused by over-printing of money" in a newspaper is not a viable source to base an argument off of.

Do you really think a textbook or newspaper is going to talk against the federal reserve, or anything for that matter? Textbooks aren't even allowed to say the holocaust was terrible but they can talk about how badly the current federal reserve is corrupting or country? And If I'm going to debate a topic I'd rather talk to somebody with textbook facts then opinions pulled out of their ass that get misunderstood for facts. Once again you are getting confused with things I actually say and things you think I said in your mind.

 

[kill4joy KJ]

Depends what newspaper you read, I've read several articles on the corruption of the economy with several different causes.

"(not implying it was ALL caused by them but a large portion has.)"

You are implying that a large portion of it was solely due to the over-printing of US currencies, while I am saying that the majority of it was due to other factors, and only a small portion has been due to the over-printing of the US dollar and giving it to banks to bail them out "secretly".

"pulled out of their ass that get misunderstood for facts"
I made up nothing, and all you refuted was my interpretation of your words. You never refuted a single point I had, and yet you are criticizing my opinions.

"I'm going to debate a topic I'd rather talk to somebody with textbook facts then opinions "
Debates are based upon opinions that are supported by facts. If someone is reciting someone else's work rather then his own opinion, then they simply should not be debating the said topic.

I would also like to get evidence for this statement:

"16 TRILLION dollars were found given secretly to banks and companies world wide to bail them out, with absolutely 0 interest and none of that money has been even partially been paid back"

 

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Depends what newspaper you read, I've read several articles on the corruption of the economy with several different causes.

"(not implying it was ALL caused by them but a large portion has.)"

You are implying that a large portion of it was solely due to the over-printing of US currencies, while I am saying that the majority of it was due to other factors, and only a small portion has been due to the over-printing of the US dollar and giving it to banks to bail them out "secretly".

Yes I believe it is a large portion relative to other things that effect inflation I didn't mean like over 50% if you want to put it in numbers.

"pulled out of their ass that get misunderstood for facts"
I made up nothing, and all you refuted was my interpretation of your words. You never refuted a single point I had, and yet you are criticizing my opinions.

Wasn't necessarily directing that to you just that you criticized facts that come from a textbook. I made this thread with the intention of discussing politics not one sentence I made about inflation and I honestly could care less about the smallest detail in my thread.

"I'm going to debate a topic I'd rather talk to somebody with textbook facts then opinions "
Debates are based upon opinions that are supported by facts. If someone is reciting someone else's work rather then his own opinion, then they simply should not be debating the said topic.

I would love for you to find where I found this from to recite it if your going to make such claims...(except for my HF article obv).

I would also like to get evidence for this statement:

"16 TRILLION dollars were found given secretly to banks and companies world wide to bail them out, with absolutely 0 interest and none of that money has been even partially been paid back"

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-of-interest/2011/07/21/gIQAJbbnSI_story.html
http://www.unelected.org/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailouts