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There have been many reoccurring debates with regards to being able to be a successful businessman while still upholding a very good social standing in society. The reason for such is due to compromise. For the most part, entrepreneurs are required to make a decision about their career that may sometimes hinder their public appeal. In order to explain this issue at hand a little more clearly, allow me to exemplify Mr. Pierre Peladeau, a very wealthy deceased businessman that revolutionized the Quebec media culture in Canada.

For quite some time now, there has been a dilemma from which arose the following question; was Mr. Peladeau a good role model? Some may argue that he was outstandingly successful considering the only measure of success in the field of business is one's financial gain. In that, he did a phenomenal job, no doubt about it. However, there exists an equal and opposite reaction to his lifelong career. This oppositional crew believes that as much as he was financially fit, he lost a lot of respect along the way. These experts beg to differ that Pierre Peladeau walked all over many individuals, took them for granted and violated their respect to achieve the social status he had made for himself. As much fun as it would be to sit on the fence and throw the ball back and forth from one court to the next, I must choose an perspective. I strongly believe that Pierre Peladeau was is great role model and the forthcoming text will elaborate on such feelings.

Pierre Peladeau was known to be a very successful business man yet he lacked certain ethical morals throughout his career. He founded one of, it not the biggest, companies in Quebec and titled it, 'Quebecor Inc.' Quebecor is a communications company with operations in North America, Europe, Latin America and India. It operates in commercial printing, cable services, newspapers, broadcasting, music, books, videos, business telecommunications, interactive marketing and Internet portals.

In order to stress my perception on this delicate yet widely disputed matter, one must first be aware of the definition of a role model. As defined by Wikipedia's online search engine, the term 'role model' generally refers to any person who serves as an example and thus whose behavior can be emulated by others. Having said that, whether or not Pierre Peladeau was in check with regards to his work ethics, he fits the title of a role model more than perfectly.

Oppositional views may argue that he sets a bad example and they may have claims to support their perceptions as well. For example, in 1990, Pierre Peladeau committed a dear mistake when he was quoted in l'Actualite magazine saying that "Jews take up too much space in Quebec". A year earlier, he was quoted saying that women had no place in the corporate board room because "they seduce too much". While doing so, he infuriated Montreal's English-speaking community by boasting that he spoke English only when he could "make money by doing so." Clearly Mr. Peladeau had a dirty mouth and wasn't shy to say things that others neglected to mention but that does not strip him of his business marketing intellect. Of course, he said things that he shouldn't have said but in the field of business, as mentioned earlier, revenue is the main measure of success and in that, he excelled beyond everyone's expectations. For that reason, I bestow him as one of the greatest business models that ever lived.

Before I began writing this topic, I was inclined to favor the ethical side of this argument but after having reviewed certain aspects and considered the context of the topics, monetary gain has been prioritized. This is merely an opinion and while others may feel that a good role model is one that can balance both aspects, they may be right, but as for Peladeau, he did what he had to do and for that reason, he's a renown figure in the world of business. Perhaps his son, who took over his company, will tone it down a notch and manage to establish a balance in both aspects.

In theory, let me leave you with one final query to ponder about; do you think a businessman can be a good role model if he or she has poor ethical morals and values, given that the main measure of success for business is the degree of financial gain?
 
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Well you clearly put some effort into the thread which is nice. I'll say sometimes the exploitation and the greed lead to further advances. Therefore to your question, I'll say yes.
 

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wale said:
Well you clearly put some effort into the thread which is nice. I'll say sometimes the exploitation and the greed lead to further advances. Therefore to your question, I'll say yes.

So in other words you agree that the only measure of success in the field of business is one's financial gain?
 
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Depending on the field of work. And by that I meant these big corporations tend to provide better quality for better prices. Their profits allow them to continue to advance.
 

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wale said:
Depending on the field of work. And by that I meant these big corporations tend to provide better quality for better prices. Their profits allow them to continue to advance.

Not all corporations use their profits to enhance and ensure customer satisfaction. A great portion prefer to self-indulge. But what you're talking about has nothing to do with what I was asking.

You're saying that enterprises provide more care to people that pay more but that's not what I was asking. In lamens terms, I was asking if someone can still be looked up to as a role model in the business scheme if they make a lot of money but are very disrespectful to their competition?
 
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I brought that up by saying that those who tend to have gotten a big business didn't do it a very nice way. But in the end they are there because they can offer something. And I said depending on the field of work.
 

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I brought that up by saying that those who tend to have gotten a big business didn't do it a very nice way. But in the end they are there because they can offer something.

They didn't get there because they can offer something. Anyone can offer something. They got there because they took the high route there, being a prick along the way, rather than taking their time and slowly work their way up the ladder in an respectful manner.

What you're saying isn't wrong but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about in my thread. Believe me, I wrote it, I should know.
 

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Solidify said:
I was asking if someone can still be looked up to as a role model in the business scheme if they make a lot of money but are very disrespectful to their competition?

It depends if it can be justified with proper reasons, if not then I don't think they can be looked up as a "respectful role model".

For instance, anyone in a sport such as Football(Soccer) are usually disrespectful to the opposition, yet are huge role models to most aspiring footballers.

I still think they could be a role model as they have been very disrespectful to further their profits/career etc.

If you want to be pedantic, you could not mention the disrespectful points to said people, this honestly has nothing to do with your question, it was purely an example for let's say a company as a meeting and said "We you to aim, towards this persons success", not telling the staff he/she was disrespectful to their competition.

Also, the competition could be affected by said person, and up their game because the people is disrespectful.

This is probably all messed up and retarded.
I'm tired but I love debates.
 

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Crysis said:
For instance, anyone in a sport such as Football(Soccer) are usually disrespectful to the opposition, yet are huge[/h] role models to most aspiring footballers.


That first part is not true. I'm a sponsored soccer player and have been playing since the age of four so I can tell you first-hand that when you step over that line, no matter how dirty you play, you must have respect, otherwise it's a dishonor to the sport. After the game, you can make-up as you wish.
 

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Solidify said:
That first part is not true. I'm a sponsored soccer player and have been playing since the age of four so I can tell you first-hand that when you step over that line, no matter how dirty you play, you must have respect, otherwise it's a dishonor to the sport. After the game, you can make-up as you wish.

That is why I used the word usually.
You should have seen the disrespect in the world-cup last year.
 

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Crysis said:
Solidify said:
That first part is not true. I'm a sponsored soccer player and have been playing since the age of four so I can tell you first-hand that when you step over that line, no matter how dirty you play, you must have respect, otherwise it's a dishonor to the sport. After the game, you can make-up as you wish.

That is why I used the word usually.
You should have seen the disrespect in the world-cup last year.

I know. I was very disappointed. They had no right to taint the game that I love with trash talk and taunting?
 

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I know. I was very disappointed. They had no right to taint the game that I love with trash talk and taunting?

I assume you didn't see the final, Netherlands vs Spain?

The dutch played so dirty, yet the players are earning £100k a week.
 
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I get what Crysis is trying to say but footballs a bad example since respect is usually something requested and when not given it's frowned upon.
 

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I get what Crysis is trying to say but footballs a bad example since respect is usually something requested and when not given it's frowned upon.

What the hell are you talking about? All your references and anecdotes are so out of context.
 
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I'm talking about his reference to football. He was saying that football players who don't show respect get it and succeed. I was saying that can be true but football isn't the right example for it.

Why the hell are you getting so sore?
 

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What the hell are you talking about? All your references and anecdotes are so out of context.

What would you expect from someone who just wants to 50m.

OT: Solidify, you never replied to my previous post.
 

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wale said:
I'm talking about his reference to football. He was saying that football players who don't show respect get it and succeed. I was saying that can be true but football isn't the right example for it.

Why the hell are you getting so sore?

He wasn't saying 'football players who don't show respect get it and succeed'. He was saying that despite their lack of sportsmanship, they're still overpaid, which is foolish.

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footballs a bad example since respect is usually something requested and when not given it's frowned upon.

What do you mean by 'respect is something requested'?

European football players don't request respect on or off the field, it's a given. They are all meant to be gentlemen at the sport and play with class. Unfortunately, that's not the case for all players but its the idea in all sports; you have the opposition's respect and they have yours until you do something foul or misconduct yourself. It's a mutual thing, on and off the field.

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What would you expect from someone who just wants to 50m.

I know Crysis, I know. I'm just having as much with it as possible.

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I assume you didn't see the final, Netherlands vs Spain?
The dutch played so dirty, yet the players are earning £100k a week.

Nope. I don't watch much soccer besides when it's the world or euro cup. I only play.
 
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There are many things that aren't written in the Fifa Laws but players still follow. That's what I meant by respect is something requested. I expect when I come out to play that my fellow players will respect me.
 

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There are many things that aren't written in the Fifa Laws but players still follow. That's what I meant by respect is something requested. I expect when I come out to play that my fellow players will respect me.

You're either confusing the meaning of the words you're using to make your point or you're just plain dense.

You just said it yourself;

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I expect when I come out to play that my fellow players will respect me.

Indeed they will respect you from the get-go, therefore you don't have to request it. You just have to show them just as much respect in order to maintain it.

Dictionary.com;

the act of asking for something to be given or done
 

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Nope. I don't watch much soccer besides when it's the world or euro cup. I only play.

Oh well, basically "dirty playing" would be a player jumping and kicking the just in the chest, more the rip area. I was sicken how he got away with it.
He's still a role model to those in Holland.
 
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