Cann!bal said:So, the whole entire gay population is lying to themselves about being born this way. Every single one of them. Huh. And, the flat Earth idea is a blatant false equivalency. They weren't equipped with the apparatuses necessary to understand the world. We do. We have the entire gay population, who somehow all coincidentally claim the same thing... I mean it's right in your face.
Not every gay person goes through those transactions. And heterosexuals go through those things too. Your narrow-minded idea of sexuality is disturbingly gross, perhaps, your focus on homosexual males even more so. There's ton of nuance and complexity. It's not this black and white line.
You keep telling me this is a learned behavior, but you're ignoring the observation of gay flies I stated, what experiences make you gay question, the lack of pattern in people who 'become' straight and in people who 'become' gay observation, and the why do LGBTQ people continue to kill themselves over a choice they could change question.
I'm not going to continue this discussion if you refuse to address my points.
This claim of yours is actually a 'hasty generalization.' What you're referring to as the ENTIRE gay population are maybe those only in the LGBT movement. Of course they would say the same thing; if they weren't, why would be in that organization in the first place? How about gays who are not included in that movement? Don't tell me that ALL of them are sharing the same point of view with your "entire" gay population. To tell that is an absolute hypocrisy. How about those gays seeking treatment for their behavior? Those who want to 'unlearn' their homosexuality? A lot of them claim that they acquired the behavior and obviously not born with it. And I didn't say they were lying - intentionally. Please reread my post.
I'm not following through your 'gay flies' issue because it lacks evidence. As far as I know, these flies are 'injected' with DNA by meddling scientists. They weren't born that way.
What transactions are you referring? The feelings of admiration and attraction? Some gays didn't go through this? This statement is as hilarious as it is hypocritical. This is one of the most natural things in the world. Even 'flies' have attraction tendencies.
Experiences and patterns? As what I've pointed out in one of my posts,,,; there are different circumstances for each people, but they all share a similar pattern: they were exposed to an environment that allows those homosexual behaviors to thrive and develop, and those behaviors were not properly addressed. This is what I think where the importance of parents' role lie; they need to have a proactive approach such as clarifying those feelngs to their children.
Lastly, homosexuals can change if they try hard enough. 'Change' is the only permanent thing in the world. What keeps them from changing is their lingering belief itself that they were born that way and what they are fighting for is the right thing. As long as a person isn't convinced that what he is doing is wrong, he won't be able to change. Put him in an environment where homosexuality won't be tolerated and compromised - I'm sure that he will be able to eventually unlearn it or at least restraining himself at first.