I beg to differ, when I was a child, my mother taught me to be open-minded and that I have freedom to chose which religion I follow. Maybe some parents are different, I don't believe religion should be forced upon a child, let the child learn about it, and decide if he wants to follow, and accept the religion.Blunts said:I tried to be Catholic, but by that time I was smart enough to see how illogical religion is. Religion unfortunately targets children and turns them into life time extremists.
Explode said:I beg to differ, when I was a child, my mother taught me to be open-minded and that I have freedom to chose which religion I follow. Maybe some parents are different, I don't believe religion should be forced upon a child, let the child learn about it, and decide if he wants to follow, and accept the religion.
Again, all that is a matter of opinion, it's your opinion to believe it is false, just like it's my opinion to believe the Bible is true. I never said you couldn't state your point.I judge religion based on the fact that none of it is true, in my opinion. If I believe you are wrong, then I will judge your beliefs accordingly. Am I supposed to accept religious beliefs as true? Why should I not state my point of view, just because you don't agree with it? I judge all religions the same; they are wrong. The actions of religious people had very little influence on my decision to become an atheist. What did have an influence was the outwrite falseness of the Bible, Qu'ran, etc.
What they are doing is in an extremist type, the Bible doesn't say to protest soldier's funerals and cause turmoil for the soldier's family.As a side note, the Westboro Bapist Church isn't a group of extremists; they are just doing what the Bible tells them to do.
Explode said:Again, all that is a matter of opinion, it's your opinion to believe it is false, just like it's my opinion to believe the Bible is true. I never said you couldn't state your point.
What they are doing is in an extremist type, the Bible doesn't say to protest soldier's funerals and cause turmoil for the soldier's family.
They are doing it in an extremist type fashion. Does the Bible say to protest funerals? No, does the WBC group do that though? Yes, because why? They are extremists.Leader said:It's not an opinion. From the evidence available to our generation, I see no logical or sound reason to believe anything said in the Bible.
They are upholding the ideals an principals set forth by the Bible. How does this mean that they are extremists?
Explode said:They are doing it in an extremist type fashion. Does the Bible say to protest funerals? No, does the WBC group do that though? Yes, because why? They are extremists.
Leader said:The Bible says several things against violence, murder, etc. The WBC takes the ideals from the Bible, and puts them into action, such as the whole "God Hates Fags" thing. And according to the Bible, God does hate gay people. They are the only true Christians; you're probably not as Christian as you think. I am in no way saying that they are good people or that their actions are justified, because I do not believe in the Bible.
Solar said:I am in no way being a supporter of the Bible here, nor do I wish to be condoned as such, but I have one question. Where in the Bible does it say that "God hates fags," or where does it at least subliminally hint at it? I've not read too much of the Bible before, nor do I wish to in the future, but I'd like to know if you can direct me to where you based your remarks off of.
Leader said:Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."
Genesis 19:1-11
The story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Jude 7
And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment.
There are more, I'd just have to do some more research to find them.
Explode said:Note, before I start, this isn't directed at anyone here, nor is it meant to flame Atheism.
Alright, here we go...
Why is it that some Atheists get this idea that they are superior to people who aren't, that religion is for the weak minded, that religion is inferior?
And another thing I wanted to mention, why is it that when some people say things against Atheists, they say "don't judge an entire group on a small group of people." and whatnot, but a lot of the time, I see Atheists doing the exact same thing, judging religion based on extremists, such as the Westboro Baptist group. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Anyways, I'm just going to be reading the replies to this, I wont be replying to anyone, simply because I don't have the time, in the end, it comes down to "I have my beliefs, you have yours, I wont change yours, you wont change mine".
/rant.
I will try to answer your questions. Im speaking on my own behalf.Explode said:Note, before I start, this isn't directed at anyone here, nor is it meant to flame Atheism.
Alright, here we go...
Why is it that some Atheists get this idea that they are superior to people who aren't, that religion is for the weak minded, that religion is inferior?
And another thing I wanted to mention, why is it that when some people say things against Atheists, they say "don't judge an entire group on a small group of people." and whatnot, but a lot of the time, I see Atheists doing the exact same thing, judging religion based on extremists, such as the Westboro Baptist group. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Anyways, I'm just going to be reading the replies to this, I wont be replying to anyone, simply because I don't have the time, in the end, it comes down to "I have my beliefs, you have yours, I wont change yours, you wont change mine".
/rant.
Fireworks said:The things that some of the Atheist's believe is a conundrum. Because Atheism is the belief (Keyword) that God does not exist. The very fact that they believe means that they are a religion. Saying atheism isn't a religion isn't correct.
Wikipedia said:Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.
Fireworks said:But even if you reject faith-based proposition, it basically translates to a disbelief of God.
Cann!bal said:No it doesn't. Disbelief implies there's evidence and atheists are in denial. However, there is no evidence of a god. Disbelief is an erroneous word. Lack of belief is more accurate.
Atheism doesn't fall under those standards for a religion: for it isn't an organized collection of beliefs, it's a singular lack of belief in a faith-based proposition.
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