Atheism

Bit said:

Wow you are butt hurt. Relax bro.

I've reverse engineered many mainstream religions, input and output so to speak. Product of your environment. Probable odds are way in my analysis' favor, and many scholars agree with me.

You're twisting my words, "seeing is believing" means seeing/experiencing something is proving it's existence. As for your whole magic trick theory goes, you can go look up the majority of how they are done on the internet and SEE their inner workings and as a result BELIEVE what is true.

On the topic of magic, you're believing in an all knowing almighty omniscient being that watches over the entire world. Yet allows all of the depraved things to go on on a day to day basis, rewarding the cruel with everything they want, while punishing the kind, or rather "incentivizing" them with the promise of some form of "purity" or "reward" for their good deeds.

I love how you're swearing and attacking me for my opinions yet I'm the one who doesn't know what an intelligent debate is?

#DinnerIsServed

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congratulations on serving yourself dinner lol.

1) you claim i twisted your words, yet in reality you create words I have not spoken. I did not twist any of your words I in fact just took your EXACT WORDS and said and proved why they were wrong.

Go read up on any skeptical philospher and you will surely realize why seeing/experiencing is not believing. How about the most obvious example if you dont like the magic one. DREAMING. Many people are often deceived by dreams thinking they are actually experiencing reality when in fact they are not.

And when did I say God was Omniscient Almight and Loving? To say God is loving is to fall for more catholic bullshit. Although he must be omniscient and omnipotent by definition, he definately is not loving. In fact he is completely 'outside the system' and has nothing to do with us. To believe God interferes in our daily lives is to begin the slow fall into an illogical and ridiculous argument. BUt please tell me where I said i believe in anything you wrote in the last paragraph.


LOL! You are a joke kid, while I disprove your actual words, you make up words to disprove on my behalf let me guess you SAW THOSE WORDS AND EXPERIENCED THEM. LOL!

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Terrio said:

congratulations on serving yourself dinner lol.

1) you claim i twisted your words, yet in reality you create words I have not spoken. I did not twist any of your words I in fact just took your EXACT WORDS and said and proved why they were wrong.

Go read up on any skeptical philospher and you will surely realize why seeing/experiencing is not believing. How about the most obvious example if you dont like the magic one. DREAMING. Many people are often deceived by dreams thinking they are actually experiencing reality when in fact they are not.

And when did I say God was Omniscient Almight and Loving? To say God is loving is to fall for more catholic bullshit. Although he must be omniscient and omnipotent by definition, he definately is not loving. In fact he is completely 'outside the system' and has nothing to do with us. To believe God interferes in our daily lives is to begin the slow fall into an illogical and ridiculous argument. BUt please tell me where I said i believe in anything you wrote in the last paragraph.


LOL! You are a joke kid, while I disprove your actual words, you make up words to disprove on my behalf let me guess you SAW THOSE WORDS AND EXPERIENCED THEM. LOL!

@bit

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A being can not be omniscient and omnipotent. They are in direct contradiction of each other.

If God is omniscient, he must already know how he is going to intervene to change the course of history using his omnipotence. But that means he can't change his mind about his intervention, which means he is not omnipotent.

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I am a die hard Christian though, no offense to anyone, I do not bible thump, if someone does not believe in God, I have not had the authority to argue with them because I am not called to it. Atheism is hard to fight, the people are stubborn most of the time, NO OFFENSE to anyone. Its just life, people will always defend their statements.

Leader said:

A being can not be omniscient and omnipotent. They are in direct contradiction of each other.

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you realize that he does not intervene, nor does he need to intervene. they are most definately not in direct contradiction to each other

Terrio said:

Atheism is a religion do not be naive and think otherwise.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t

Religion is defined as the following:

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons

Atheism is literally defined as

No Belief in God.

The very use of the suffix ism implies that it is a doctrine or belief and to deny that is to deny all logic. Even a collection of 'disbeliefs' is by nature a collection of beliefs.

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Atheism is the lack of religion, the lack of belief in a god, the rejection of a faith based position. It's the contrapositive of theism and essentially religion.

You're making a straw man fallacy. Atheism dictates a singular lack of belief; that there is no proof of god. It does not dictate there is no god. (Gnostic atheism is the claim there is no god, however, gnostic atheists' logic is fallacious since they can't assert that claim validly. Just like how all theists can't assert theirs validly. They're both erroneous: for what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.) It simply states there's no sufficient proof to believe in a god, hence rejection and lack until otherwise proven.

Atheism doesn't fall into this definition of religion you provided. It's not a set of beliefs and practices. It's a rejection of a faith-based claim. It's precisely the contrapositive. Atheism doesn't dictate any practices. If anything, it dictates a lack of practice.

Yes, -ism does imply that. I never denied that, so don't suggest that I did. However, atheism is a term that was initially coined centuries ago. It derives from misconception and ignorance. Anti-theism is a more just term: for it does not imply the inaccuracies that atheism does. It's not a collection of disbeliefs nor really beliefs, as I've repetitively said, it's a rejection, a lack of belief; it makes a singular claim, not multiple, and disbelief implies there is genuine proof of a god, which is not the case. Henceforth, your point is irrelevant seeing how there is no valid evidence of theism.

Terrio said:

you realize that he does not intervene, nor does he need to intervene. they are most definately not in direct contradiction to each other

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They are in direct contradiction. Did you just read what I wrote? It doesn't matter whether or not he needs to. Omnipotence and omniscience, by definition, cannot exist within the same being.

To bolster my own argument, omnipotence is a contradiction within itself. Here's a very famous quote that illustrates this contradiction. "If God is omnipotent, can he create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?" Omnipotence can not logically exist. The only way you could possible argue against this is using the argument that your god is outside of logic, therefore there is no actual way to argue against your god.

Terrio said:

@bit
found your post

You are a retard for 2 reasons

Reason 1) When did I say believe in God because of the Bible lol? To use that as proof is to admit defeat before the argument begins. God exists for me due to an actual logical argument.

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You will not make much ground calling people idiots and retards. I think you have a poor understanding of your own belief. You dont believe in god because of any text. You dont base your belief on faith, but rather on logic. We can dismiss the religious merit in your belief at this point (you have already done so on your own.) I dont think you believe in a god, I think you believe in a creator. Believing in a god implies theism, faith and worship which you seem to have denied. You must know the difference here, and stop referring to your belief in a creator as a belief in god.

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Terrio said:

you realize that he does not intervene, nor does he need to intervene. they are most definately not in direct contradiction to each other

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and stop referring to your "god" as a he or a she. You are ignorant and uninformed. You need to clean up your argument, because you lose points here and there when you make simple mistakes like this. The bible refers to god as "He" so some would assume that you do derive a partial piece of your belief from the bible.

Leader said:

A being can not be omniscient and omnipotent. They are in direct contradiction of each other.

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Guess I confused my words, 24 hours no sleep will do that to you haha, thanks for pointing that out.

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Terrio said:

you realize that he does not intervene, nor does he need to intervene. they are most definately not in direct contradiction to each other

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You lost me... Too tired to figure this out right now haha.

In my perspective, Atheism is just another way to close your eyes and heart to the possibilities of anything and just infer that there is nothing of superior entity in the universe. I'm not religious, but I'm a hopeful soul, as I believe in the universe of possibilities -- that anything can happen, even if not proved. From my heart, I believe that there are infinite dimensions and multiverses, far away solar systems with a plethora of civilizations and that in this reality or in a parallel one, anything can happen and already has. I refuse to narrow myself down to one belief and prefer to embrace more perceptions than just one. I don't mind the people who are Atheist or radical believers, as long as you are in peace with your inner self and can cope better with the existence that has been given to you in this time. Everyone deserves a ray of hope to cling on, no matter how far fetched and absurd it may sound in our minds. True, religion can be both a blessing and a curse, but I find it all so terribly fascinating and intriguing, I couldn't imagine the world as we know it without it.

Innocence said:

In my perspective, Atheism is just another way to close your eyes and heart to the possibilities of anything and just infer that there is nothing of superior entity in the universe. I'm not religious, but I'm a hopeful soul, as I believe in the universe of possibilities -- that anything can happen, even if not proved. From my heart, I believe that there are infinite dimensions and multiverses, far away solar systems with a plethora of civilizations and that in this reality or in a parallel one, anything can happen and already has. I refuse to narrow myself down to one belief and prefer to embrace more perceptions than just one. I don't mind the people who are Atheist or radical believers, as long as you are in peace with your inner self and can cope better with the existence that has been given to you in this time. Everyone deserves a ray of hope to cling on, no matter how far fetched and absurd it may sound in our minds. True, religion can be both a blessing and a curse, but I find it all so terribly fascinating and intriguing, I couldn't imagine the world as we know it without it.

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In fact, it's the exact opposite of what you said. Religion teaches us to be satisfied with answers than most people know aren't true. Atheism opens the doors to science and wonder. It allows us to pursue knowledge, whereas religion dismisses the pursuit of this knowledge. Religion is a rejection of science and evidence. Atheism is the acceptance of that.

My thought process leaned more towards religion and not science per se, as that is what Atheists base themselves most on.

Innocence said:

In my perspective, Atheism is just another way to close your eyes and heart to the possibilities of anything and just infer that there is nothing of superior entity in the universe. I'm not religious, but I'm a hopeful soul, as I believe in the universe of possibilities -- that anything can happen, even if not proved. From my heart, I believe that there are infinite dimensions and multiverses, far away solar systems with a plethora of civilizations and that in this reality or in a parallel one, anything can happen and already has. I refuse to narrow myself down to one belief and prefer to embrace more perceptions than just one. I don't mind the people who are Atheist or radical believers, as long as you are in peace with your inner self and can cope better with the existence that has been given to you in this time. Everyone deserves a ray of hope to cling on, no matter how far fetched and absurd it may sound in our minds. True, religion can be both a blessing and a curse, but I find it all so terribly fascinating and intriguing, I couldn't imagine the world as we know it without it.

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What a silly response. As if atheism is in direct contradiction with philosophy, spirituality, and any multiverse/dimensional theories. You do realize who Stephen Hawking is, right? As if atheism is in direct contradiction with.. anything? How can you predetermine the beliefs of someone just because they are an atheist? If anything, the range of possibility is MORE diverse because we arent limiting our beliefs to a specific religion. You couldnt be more wrong man. I probably have more in depth theories than you do on life, our origin, and other possibilities. Im an atheist and an antitheist. I love speculation, I hate religion.

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Leader said:

In fact, it's the exact opposite of what you said. Religion teaches us to be satisfied with answers than most people know aren't true. Atheism opens the doors to science and wonder. It allows us to pursue knowledge, whereas religion dismisses the pursuit of this knowledge. Religion is a rejection of science and evidence. Atheism is the acceptance of that.

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I thought this was common knowledge. It scares me to know who I share Earth with.

Innocence said:

My thought process leaned more towards religion and not science per se, as that is what Atheists base themselves most on.

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Atheists don't base themselves on religion. We base ourselves on logic, reason, critical thinking, and science.

Alt said:

I thought this was common knowledge. It scares me to know who I share Earth with.

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I think we both know that we shouldn't be surprised that people don't know this.