Debunking Any and All Arguments for the Existence of a God

Leader said:

I'm looking for a smooth debate. Anyone have any arguments?

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wash said:

Lol you're making this too easy for yourself. Creationism has zero ground in formal debates. The only reason it's still accepted is because it's in the Bible. Every creationism argument has been countered and destroyed ad nauseam.

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Leader said:

I like debating about it. Some people have raised arguments that I've never heard of.

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wash said:

Lol you're making this too easy for yourself. Creationism has zero ground in formal debates. The only reason it's still accepted is because it's in the Bible. Every creationism argument has been countered and destroyed ad nauseam.

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wash said:

the origins debate (cosmological arguments) is a lot more interesting. that area is still very unstable as science has theories but no definitive answer, and religion actually has a couple decent ones like ontological and teleogical arguments thanks to Aquinas, one of the few religious guys I respect.

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500 said:

Going of what @leader said the definition of debate is.

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong it is your opinion.

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Leader said:

Those arguments fall flat on their face.

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wash said:

I know what a debate is... but this is like refuting that the Earth revolves around the Sun. we can make claims until the cows come home, but we all know what the answer is. it's time to move on to a newer ongoing debate.

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I know god of the gaps shits on it, but it's better than 'observational science' cough Ken Ham cough.

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wash said:

Lol you're making this too easy for yourself. Creationism has zero ground in formal debates. The only reason it's still accepted is because it's in the Bible. Every creationism argument has been countered and destroyed ad nauseam.

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Leader said:

I've changed the thread. It's a little more open-ended.

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wash said:

ah yes.. finally. so Leader I must ask. what do you think created the universe?

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Leader said:

I don't have any idea. However, that doesn't mean it was a supernatural occurrence. Lawrence Krauss wrote a book that explained why the cause of the universe might have been nothing. Something from nothing is his current idea.

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wash said:

I'm the same way. The multiverse theory is quite interesting as well as the vacuum theory. Also I think Krauss talks about something where in a space of literally nothing, there is always matter and antimatter, and the universe was created at a singularity when there's was more of one than the other. Or something like that. I'm not an expert cosmologist.
But even so, to think that something this remarkable came from nothing seems impossible to grasp.

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Leader said:

I'd like to hope that we'll be able to find out what caused the singularity, but it seems extremely far off and unlikely.

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wash said:

Well, it had to have been something. Doubt it was an intravenous God, otherwise he would've told us by now. But yea finding the answer will take centuries. Civilization will probably destroy itself by then.

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Hey @Leader, wanna have a little debate on the moral argument? I think I have a few good points

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Leader said:

You mean the argument that there is no foundation for morality without god?

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wash said:

Yes, and heres why I think its true.

Morality must be objective.
If morality is objective, it cannot be man made.
Therefore, morality has to be a truth made by an absolute being.

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Leader said:

That's not exactly true. I believe in a kind of objective morality. Have you read Sam Harris's book, The Moral Landscape?

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wash said:

No I have not. But morals must be objective. Anything made by man is subjective, and no society can survive on moral relativism. There had to of been a definitive source of moral guidance, it very likely a god. Why did humans instinctually help each other rather then kill each other in the early days?

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Leader said:

Altruism is explained by evolution. There are very good evolutionary reasons for altruism.

My sort of objective morality is based on humanity. Well, that is, the well-being of humanity. If we classify well-being as good, and suffering as bad, we are able to sort out a list of objective rights and objective wrongs.

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