Debunking Any and All Arguments for the Existence of a God

Chapter · May 26, 2014

I am not the biggest fan of organized religion.
My grandpa has always told me that the bible is a history book.
We learn history to avoid repeating it.
He says that the stuff in there is stories that you learn from to become more enlightened.
He is a Christian.
Me I am a satanist/agnostic
Frankly I don't give a flying fuck about religion I will just be a good person and make good decisions and live my life through and through.
I think that god is something that people find when they need hope.
If you had a day to live and you knew, what would you do? sit there and wait or pray, people pray and believe as a solution to their problems.

Difficult · May 26, 2014

This isn't really a question @leader but here it goes, if you look at humans as a type of animal. We are the smartest and most intellectual , I find it amazing how in 1600 the europeans sailed and discovered canada, ( obviously stole it from the natives ) now... 400 years later... we have cars, highways, guns that can take out any living thing in under a second. We have created hierarchies, where 1 in a million is rich beyond wildest dreams and has the power to fuck over countries... I can't or in other words I refuse to believe that this was evolutions fault. It's something greater... we have a subconcious something that no other species have to our extent. We learned to communicate through symbols which is supports your fact of evolution but it still baffles me... Humans haven't been around for long... And just look at what we have created and destroyed. It's mind bottling. on that note i would like to say that I do not believe in religion, but I believe in something greater than us, something that we can't even imagine.

NULLNULLNULL · May 26, 2014

Leader said:
He had an insanely large influence, but I would not consider it positive.

I wouldn't say it was negative either. although it caused a great deal of harm. I don't think Jesus intended to cause as many issues as he did: the Crusades, Creating a new religion, the Inquisition etc.

Aura · May 26, 2014

wash said:
I have no support whatsoever for anything Christian. There is evidence that Jesus existed. Whether or not he was what history says he was is up for debate. But regardless you cannot deny that he was the greatest influence to humanity like ever.

What has he influenced? People who need faith in something they can't have contact with to have good morals? I wouldn't say that's a good thing. Sounds more like a mental disability or disease.

Nevermind · May 26, 2014

Difficult said:
This isn't really a question @leader but here it goes, if you look at humans as a type of animal. We are the smartest and most intellectual , I find it amazing how in 1600 the europeans sailed and discovered canada, ( obviously stole it from the natives ) now... 400 years later... we have cars, highways, guns that can take out any living thing in under a second. We have created hierarchies, where 1 in a million is rich beyond wildest dreams and has the power to fuck over countries... I can't or in other words I refuse to believe that this was evolutions fault. It's something greater... we have a subconcious something that no other species have to our extent. We learned to communicate through symbols which is supports your fact of evolution but it still baffles me... Humans haven't been around for long... And just look at what we have created and destroyed. It's mind bottling. on that note i would like to say that I do not believe in religion, but I believe in something greater than us, something that we can't even imagine.

I don't know what you're getting at. Most of the advances that we have made are made because of science. Agriculture, medicine, technology, etc. To say that is all due to something "higher" than us is misleading.

Hobbes said:
I am not the biggest fan of organized religion.
My grandpa has always told me that the bible is a history book.
We learn history to avoid repeating it.
He says that the stuff in there is stories that you learn from to become more enlightened.
He is a Christian.
Me I am a satanist/agnostic
Frankly I don't give a flying fuck about religion I will just be a good person and make good decisions and live my life through and through.
I think that god is something that people find when they need hope.
If you had a day to live and you knew, what would you do? sit there and wait or pray, people pray and believe as a solution to their problems.

Can you re-phrase your question and be a little more specific?

Difficult · May 26, 2014

Leader said:
I don't know what you're getting at. Most of the advances that we have made are made because of science. Agriculture, medicine, technology, etc. To say that is all due to something "higher" than us is misleading.

It isn't misleading, I told you in advance that it wasn't a question. Just my point of view. I do believe in a god of some sort, but to believe that everything is the way it is because of science etc... is ignorant. imo.

Nevermind · May 26, 2014

Difficult said:
It isn't misleading, I told you in advance that it wasn't a question. Just my point of view. I do believe in a god of some sort, but to believe that everything is the way it is because of science etc... is ignorant. imo.

There's no evidence of a god, though. There is, however, evidence for humanity, society, and science. May I ask what specific reasons you have for your beliefs?

NULLNULLNULL · May 26, 2014

Alt said:
What has he influenced? People who need faith in something they can't have contact with to have good morals? I wouldn't say that's a good thing. Sounds more like a mental disability or disease.

imagine the world if Jesus never existed. it's impossible. nothing is secular because of him, and believe it or not but his life would pave the way for a culture that controller the world up to the 18th century.

Aura · May 26, 2014

wash said:
imagine the world if Jesus never existed. it's impossible. nothing is secular because of him, and believe it or not but his life would pave the way for a culture that controller the world up to the 18th century.

That is not a good thing LOL. Secularism is necessary, it's fair, and you're right it doesn't exist. Thus we have all of these religious (brainwashed) people in power making bias, wrong decisions. And look where we are economically, loom at our foreign relations. I don't know where you live but I'm referring to the US. We're fucked.

Difficult · May 26, 2014

Leader said:
There's no evidence of a god, though. There is, however, evidence for humanity, society, and science. May I ask what specific reasons you have for your beliefs?

I was raised a catholic but didn't believe in any of that bullshit, when I used to ask questions they would just reply with Jesus this and Jesus that. I believe in a God because I can't believe that out of all the animals out of all people we have come out on top, and that the person you are now are the only person you will ever be, Another interesting fact for me is how our mind wonders at night and just imagining the possibilities is amazing. I don't think that science can prove why we chose to believe in religion, think about it. Most of India is religious, now science can't prove why it is the way it is. The only thing they can argue is that modernisation had an impact on the way people live and lead them to chose a more realistic and non spiritual path.

NULLNULLNULL · May 26, 2014

Alt said:
That is not a good thing LOL. Secularism is necessary, it's fair, and you're right it doesn't exist. Thus we have all of these religious (brainwashed) people in power making bias, wrong decisions. And look where we are economically, loom at our foreign relations. I don't know where you live but I'm referring to the US. We're fucked.

I don't think you understand my point. I'm stating that Jesus has affected the world more than any human ever. I'm not saying he did good or bad, but regardless his influence is unparalleled. I'm against many right wing conservative ideas that exist because of religious indoctrination.

Nevermind · May 26, 2014

Difficult said:
I was raised a catholic but didn't believe in any of that bullshit, when I used to ask questions they would just reply with Jesus this and Jesus that. I believe in a God because I can't believe that out of all the animals out of all people we have come out on top, and that the person you are now are the only person you will ever be, Another interesting fact for me is how our mind wonders at night and just imagining the possibilities is amazing. I don't think that science can prove why we chose to believe in religion, think about it. Most of India is religious, now science can't prove why it is the way it is. The only thing they can argue is that modernisation had an impact on the way people live and lead them to chose a more realistic and non spiritual path.

The fact that you can't believe that we are the superior species is kind of like a puddle being excited about how the hole it occupies is perfectly fit for him. It's not because of a higher existence, it's merely out of necessity.

We actually can explain why it's extremely religious with things like biology, anthropology, and psychology.

Difficult · May 26, 2014

Leader said:
The fact that you can't believe that we are the superior species is kind of like a puddle being excited about how the hole it occupies is perfectly fit for him. It's not because of a higher existence, it's merely out of necessity.

We actually can explain why it's extremely religious with things like biology, anthropology, and psychology.

im so mindfucked about this puddle @leader . i'm just going to conclude this conversation by saying that a puddle is merely an ocean in a hole. gg no re.

Nevermind · May 26, 2014

Difficult said:
im so mindfucked about this puddle @leader . i'm just going to conclude this conversation by saying that a puddle is merely an ocean in a hole. gg no re.

I guess that makes sense?

Nevermind · Jul 14, 2014

Valiant said:
Okay, so as you may know, I am completely on your side on this because I am logical. But let me try arguing from the other perspective. Err... let's see here. If I sound a little logically two-sided at times, sorry.

The different layers of sediment in the earth are each differently aged. Now when scientists are asked to date the age of sediments, the rely on the fossils inside of the sediments to determine the age. Now when asked to date the age of fossils, they rely on the sediments around the fossil to determine the age. Prove how evolution is responsible for the earth's sedimentary layers when the age of them is one big logical fallacy?

Evolution is responsible for the layers of sediment.

Valiant said:
The creationists believe humans were designed to live forever. Science has recently proven that if we were to learn something new every second, we would take well over 3 million years to exhaust the memory capacity of our brains. However, no one learns something every second. People learn things very slowly as there life ages. That means the human brain, as small as it is now, can handle the data for literally billions of years. Evolutionists say species evolve to suit the needs of survival. How is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over billions of years, when all we can live up to is 90 -100 years?

That's not necessarily how evolution works. It's a mixture of random genetic mutations and natural selection. Sometimes, mutations that don't necessarily benefit survival will be passed on through mere chance.

Valiant said:
Here is a quote that seems to reveal a huge incongruity with evolutionism.
“World population growth rate in recent times is about 2% per year. Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number. Wars, disease, famine, etc. have wiped out approximately one third of the population on average every 82 years. Starting with eight people, and applying these growth rates since the Flood of Noah's day (about 4500 years ago) would give a total human population at just under six billion people. However, application on an evolutionary time scale runs into major difficulties. Starting with one "couple" just 41,000 years ago would give us a total population of 2 x 10^89." -See Morris, Henry, Scientific Creationism (El Cajon, CA: Master Books)

"This claim assumes that the population growth rate was always constant, which is a false assumption. Wars and plagues would have caused populations to drop from time to time. In particular, population sizes before agriculture would have been severely limited and would have had an average population growth of zero for any number of years.

There is no particular reason to choose a population growth rate of 2 percent for the calculation. The population growth from 1000 to 1800 has been closer to 0.1227 percent per year (Encyclopaedia Britannica 1984). At that rate, the population would have grown to its present size from the eight Flood survivors in 16,660 years.

The population growth rate proposed by the claim would imply unreasonable populations early in history. We will be more generous in our calculations and start with eight people in 2350 B.C.E. (a traditional date for the Flood). Then, assuming a growth rate of 0.5 percent per year, the population after N years is given by

P(N) = 8 × (1.005)N

The Pyramids of Giza were constructed before 2490 B.C.E., even before the proposed Flood date. Even if we assume they were built 100 years after the flood, then the world population for their construction was 13 people. In 1446 B.C.E., when Moses was said to be leading 600,000 men (plus women and children) on the Exodus, this model of population growth gives 726 people in the world. In 481 B.C.E., Xerxes gathered an army of 2,641,000 (according to Herodotus) when the world population, according to the model, was 89,425. Even allowing for exaggerated numbers, the population model makes no sense."

Envy · Jul 14, 2014

Leader said:
Evolution is responsible for the layers of sediment.

That's not necessarily how evolution works. It's a mixture of random genetic mutations and natural selection. Sometimes, mutations that don't necessarily benefit survival will be passed on through mere chance.

"This claim assumes that the population growth rate was always constant, which is a false assumption. Wars and plagues would have caused populations to drop from time to time. In particular, population sizes before agriculture would have been severely limited and would have had an average population growth of zero for any number of years.

There is no particular reason to choose a population growth rate of 2 percent for the calculation. The population growth from 1000 to 1800 has been closer to 0.1227 percent per year (Encyclopaedia Britannica 1984). At that rate, the population would have grown to its present size from the eight Flood survivors in 16,660 years.

The population growth rate proposed by the claim would imply unreasonable populations early in history. We will be more generous in our calculations and start with eight people in 2350 B.C.E. (a traditional date for the Flood). Then, assuming a growth rate of 0.5 percent per year, the population after N years is given by

P(N) = 8 × (1.005)N

The Pyramids of Giza were constructed before 2490 B.C.E., even before the proposed Flood date. Even if we assume they were built 100 years after the flood, then the world population for their construction was 13 people. In 1446 B.C.E., when Moses was said to be leading 600,000 men (plus women and children) on the Exodus, this model of population growth gives 726 people in the world. In 481 B.C.E., Xerxes gathered an army of 2,641,000 (according to Herodotus) when the world population, according to the model, was 89,425. Even allowing for exaggerated numbers, the population model makes no sense."

What happened? @Leader Why did you repost this?

ORC · Jul 14, 2014

There is not much evidence that God is real that's why it's called a faith. The closest thing to evidence that we Christians have is the Bible.

Nevermind · Jul 14, 2014

orc said:
There is not much evidence that God is real that's why it's called a faith. The closest thing to evidence that we Christians have is the Bible.

I wouldn't even consider that close to evidence. Faith is just believing without evidence.

Fail · Jul 14, 2014

@Leader

Paul wrote that “all Scripture is inspired by God” (2 Tim. 3:16). The Bible itself is proof of God’s existence because He used 40 unrelated people over a period of 2,000 years to write His unique love letter to us. There is nothing like the Bible because it carries the same consistent message throughout all of its 66 different books. Atheists can laugh at this idea, but those who have read the Scriptures and experienced God through its pages know why it is the best-selling and most-translated book in all of history.
Ever come to think why 100 million copies of the Bible are sold every year, while Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion has only sold 2 million copies?
You can't argue with facts.
I'm a strong believer in Christ, and will be the rest of my life.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Nevermind · Jul 14, 2014

Fail said:
@Leader

Paul wrote that “all Scripture is inspired by God” (2 Tim. 3:16). The Bible itself is proof of God’s existence because He used 40 unrelated people over a period of 2,000 years to write His unique love letter to us. There is nothing like the Bible because it carries the same consistent message throughout all of its 66 different books. Atheists can laugh at this idea, but those who have read the Scriptures and experienced God through its pages know why it is the best-selling and most-translated book in all of history.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

The Bible does not carry the same message. It is full of contradictions, silliness, and evil.

Fail said:
Ever come to think why 100 million copies of the Bible are sold every year, while Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion has only sold 2 million copies?

That's an argument from popularity. It's a logical fallacy.

Fail said:
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Book of Leader 6:66
Leader replied, "You have to be kidding me."

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