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Gun Control Laws
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Leader said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...wn-anniversary-american-gun-carnage-continues
You can take a look at this website as well go to Google and type this in, "How many children die from legal firearms each year" and you will find what I said! Also dont get confused because this website says as many as 500 a year, but it says since last year only 194. Also it doesn't mention how many of these killings involved a weapon that was owned legally or not. So assuming that lets say half of these weapons were not owned legally then approximately 97 Children die each year from "legal" firearms. I would say thats a pretty good number compared to the number of children that die each year from swimming or taking a tub wouldn't you? You could also even argue that from these stats that using a gun is safer then having a child go swimming or take a tub.
Leader said:
Obviously you didn't read what I said, "I would like to say less then 200-300 Kids in America die each year" I didn't say a source said it, I basically made a rough estimate off of the source that I linked you, and you can find more if you simple type in what I told you into that neat search engine called Google
xSlatzy said:Obviously you didn't read what I said, "I would like to say less then 200-300 Kids in America die each year" I didn't say a source said it, I basically made a rough estimate off of the source that I linked you, and you can find more if you simple type in what I told you into that neat search engine called Google
Seriously, you can't dodge this question. You completely made up a number, and told me to google it. Please show me where you got your information.
As for this,
Nearly 1,500 children younger than 18 years of age die from shootings every year.
Source
In all, The Times cataloged 259 gun accidents that killed children ages 14 and younger. The youngest was just 9 months old, shot in his crib.
Source
Leader said:
What do you mean I don't have evidence that the government is trying to take away our rights? They are trying to make it so we can't purchase certain guns, ONE of our rights says we have the right to bare arms. So there is one right that they are taking away. Also they are trying to censor the internet, one of OUR rights is Freedom of speech. So there is another right they are trying to take away. And since you are so keen on "evidence" and example of them trying to censor the internet is taking down the website mega-upload or numerous other websites. And sure you could say that well these websites helped people break copy right laws, when in fact they didn't. You dont arrest the hotel owner where the hookers fuck there clients do you? Well not to go to much off path there but there are some examples for you with some EVIDENCE on how our government is taking away our rights.
Leader said:
"Every year, nearly 1,500 children die from guns and many more are seriously injured." The key word in that sentence is "Nearly" any number is "Near" another. For example you could say 1,000 is near 1,500. Thats not a lie at all. Also I didn't completely make up a number at all I showed you the source where I got it from. It said that within that year only 194 kids died and usually around 500 died so I made what you call an educated guess.
Leader said:
Also you "Gun Safety Page" isn't specific on wether or not that number is World Wide or Just in the United States. That is extremely important because the deaths that I am talking about are for the US only.
xSlatzy said:
I can't believe you actually used that as an argument.
Nearly
1. very close to; almost.
1,000 isn't very close to 1,500, especially when that number is the number of deaths. 500 deaths is a big difference.
As for your other rebuttal, it is pretty clear that they are talking about the USA. You can tell this from the first sentence from the paragraph that I took that quote from.
Leader said:
In that paragraph they were talking about America but in the next one when she or he lists the information they are not specific. They are two completely different paragraphs and she or he isn't clear at all in the second one like she was in the first. Also 500 deaths is not a lot of deaths?!? Around 150,000 People die each day and if you compare that to lets say the amount of deaths from Guns over a year that is NOTHING AT ALL!!! Guns are not dangerous. Only the people that use them are. Also heres an interesting link for you to check out, http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay/2013/01/22/who-knew-the-leading-cause-of-gun-death-is-suicide/
Also just to fix something here we are arguing over something completely stupid and thats the small number of people that die each year from Gun related death. Be honest you and I both know that 1,500 people is not a lot of people. Thats not a high number at all and I would like to say that that 1,500 doesn't even make up 1% of the people that die each year. (I dont have evidence on that but I have evidence that around 6,815 ( http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080113002524AAYJNsC also if you don't trust Yahoo answers just look up "How many people die each day in the United States" and you will get a Number EXTREMELY close to 6,815, there is no way to get an exact number due to the fact different amounts of people die each day. ) die each day in the United States so if we multiply 6,815 by 365 we get 2,487,475 so that is roughly the total amount of people that die each year in the United States.
(Extremely close to this website http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm ) Now to get the percentage of deaths that Gun Violence makes up each year in the United States we get 1,500 and divide it by 2,487,475 and we get 0.00060302 so it doesn't even make up 1% of the total deaths in the United States. So I hope this shows to you that Guns in fact are not dangerous, only the people that use them are!) I hope that helps show you how gun deaths don't even really affect the deaths of the United States! And are something that our government should not be focusing on now. We should be focusing on more important things such as getting a cure for cancer, or finding other life forms, or a planet that is sustainable for life because we are killing the one we live on now.
Leader said:
I didn't disprove my point at all I actually made my point even stronger. I don't understand how I am even disproving my point when I used the numbers you gave me when in fact I could have used my own.....
xSlatzy said:
What happened to your point about less than 200 people dying to guns each year?
And, that 1,500 people was people who died from accidental gun deaths. That is quite a lot. You said about less than 200 died from this. That is the topic we are debating, not how many people die in the world each day.
Leader said:
Yes I did say that because look at that website. It says 194 People died from legal guns during that year. So I wasn't misquoting anything at all I took that information and put it into this thread. You don't seem to understand thought because you are so focused on this number. Its not important what is important is how gun rights are being taken away. Thats what the thread is about its not about how many people died because we have already established that. I found a website which supports my number and you found one that supports yours. I'm done because this is just getting stupid and I am not interested anymore.
xSlatzy said:
You made a statement with specific numbers, yet you made these numbers up. Neither of the sources I linked said anything about legal gun deaths. There is no evidence to back up the claim that you are making, so there is no way that I could possibly take it seriously. However, that doesn't mean your claim is wrong.
Leader said:
LOL jesus christ leader I linked you way way back to the numbers. Im done this is the last post I'm making its just so annoying that you don't even acknowledge someone else's point of view. You are just so focused on these numbers when you missing the whole point of the thread which is Gun Control Laws. Also you said I disproved my own theory? Lol I made my theory even more relevant as to how Gun deaths in the United States don't even affect the death toll.
xSlatzy said:
I do acknowledge your point of view, otherwise, I wouldn't be debating with you. This is the "Philosophy & Debates" section, not the "Philosophy & Tell Everyone They're Right in Their Own Special Way" section. Plus, I haven't seen any of these numbers because the main source that you linked was "Yahoo Answers" which cannot be trusted. Then, you told me to google it, and I did to no avail. You can't just make up numbers to bolster your argument, which is why I am so focused on those numbers.
Leader said:
Your wrong xD For the death toll rate each day in America I linked you Yahoo Answers. And as you might know it is EXTREMELY difficult to put a number on the amount of people dying each day so you can do some research for yourself like I suggested and you will find that most of the numbers are 6,600-6,900. Also I linked you to a news Paper Known as the "Guardian" that is where I got the numbers for Gun related deaths as you can see here http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...wn-anniversary-american-gun-carnage-continues I did not make up my numbers and I linked you to fully legitimate websites besides of course Yahoo answers but Like I said you can just get those numbers off of any other website. I hate to keep justifying myself on these numbers because it is extremely annoying but you keep on bringing it up. So hopefully this will end the conversation on the numbers.
As @Skunk said, everyone's trying to over complicate it. It's oh, so simple, with taking these away, the only people who will have them are people who mean harm. What is taking away every innocent person's guns going to do? Reduce their ability to protect then in case they were to need it, that's all.
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