Cann!bal said:
Here's a simple one concerning the Church.
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven." Matthew 23:9
Catholics are taught to call priests Father out of religious respect.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/call-no-man-father
You choose to keep your faith in Catholicism after being indoctrinated most likely during your childhood.
That is essentially saying anyone who believes in what they were taught as a child was indoctrinated.
Science and religion do contradict.
Creationists believe dinosaurs did exist and that they coexisted with mankind.
Catholicism does not teach creationism, but theistic evolution.
Prayer has been scientifically proven to not help, the studies actually showed that the ones who were prayed and were aware, had more complications than the ones who weren't prayed for by a slightly significant percentage.
The information I can find on studies say that the field is relatively tiny and not well researched. A few studies can't be taken as proof. Also doesn't disprove God in any way.
As for free will; do you define God as either or both omniscient and omnipotent?
Yes. And I know what you're going to say. Just because I know something will happend doesn't make it happen, though does it?
But they mindlessly killed the heretics anyways. Hypothetically speaking, God is in charge of everything, so according to your logic, everything that has ever happened is God's fault.
God being in charge of everything doesn't mean ?He causes everything. A CEO is in charge of a company but doesn't control everything that happens. God didn't approve of all the massive killings some people did in the name of the Church. There are bad people in the world who don't always align with God. Deal with it.
There are over 200,000 denominations of Christianity and there is infinitesimal amount of religions which have existed, which also hold an extensive amount of sects, yet every single one of them claim they have the doctrine correct. I must ask, what makes you so confident you have it correct?
Mine is the first one. All others broke off from it and the doctrine and dogma of Catholics has remained relatively solid throughout the millenia.
Labeling it as an unfathomable concept is a logical fallacy, it's an argument from ignorance. The Church does not require reason, don't be silly.
God is outside of our world. Outside of our dimensions. We can't understand the fourth or fifth dimensions. How can we understand God, who is outside of time itself?
Many philosophers, also believed slavery was justifiable, ironically, Aristotle and Aquinas were both apart of that troop. Aquinas even thought it hitting a slave was acceptable behavior. They were brilliant, but also ignorant.
Yeah, and so did many of America's founding fathers and other historical leaders. They had many things right but some things wrong.
The miracle of Lanciano is demonstrably fraudulent. Yes, the examinations have shown it's real blood and flesh, but if it were seriously Jesus Christ's, DNA tests could be done to prove whether Jesus existed. The hypothesized uniqueness of the DNA would indicate he was divine and had no biological father, thus, proving God. However, tests have not been done.
In what world does that prove it is fraudulent? It is
living flesh, in no way artificially preserved, that has not decayed in 1,500 years.
Please explain the origin of God without making a logical fallacy.
God does not need an origin as He is outside of time. He always was, is, and will be. Once again, out of our dimensions. We can't understand.
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Alt said:
Can you provide to me even a shred of proof that supports the claims you are making and/or supporting? For instance you claim that god made science. I want proof of that, and if you cannot follow through with showing me logically and rationaly, dont make the claim.
I said that in response to a person who believes in God already. If you believe in God, you know God made science.
Take basically any disaster that has occured, or will occur. The severity and rate of occurance of these disasters seem to be increasing, be it natural or caused my man. God has stated that we are all created in his image. Now, when one of these disasters occur, be it a school shooting or a hurricane, lives are lost at the hand of who? And for what? Your god is also said to be omniscient and omnipotent. That being said, when the next disaster occurs, what is your explanation:
1. God knew about it, but didnt have the power to stop it.
2. God knew about it and had the power to stop it, but didnt.
3. God doesnt exist.
If you can think of more logical possibilities, by all means share them with me. If you claim that there is a justifiable reason for these things that happen and gods role in it, but you cannot explain it or the reason for it, I will laugh at you. That is not a loophole, or an option.
If that was suposed to be a logically/philosophically valid/sound argument, it isn't. I apologize if I seem arrogant, but you have "Philosophy" in your signature and you should know that it isn't.
I'll try to lay out your argument in a logically valid form.
(1) If God is omniscient, then he knows about all evil.
(2) If God is omnipotent, he would stop all evil he knows about.
(3) God is omniscient and omnipotent.
(4) Therefore, God would stop all evil he knows about. (by hypothetical syllogism and modus ponens)
I reject premise 2.
(1) If God gave humans free will, then he would not interfere with it.
(2) If God would not interfere with free will, he would not directly intervene to stop evil.
(3) God gave humans free will.
(4) Therefore, God would not directly intervene to stop evil. (again by hypothetical syllogism and modus ponens)
Evil exists. God did not make evil, evil is the lack of good. Because God gave us free will, we can reject good and choose evil. Whoever does so will receive their reward. Whoever is a victim of evil will receive comfort. Karma, boom.
Bubba said:
Just curious, if you were a member of good standing, the community liked you, and you were not ban evading..what ARE you hiding? Because obviously there's something besides being anonymous going on here.
I have been Dox'ed before and am not currently in a position where I want it publicly known across all the sites I am on that I am a seminarian. Unfortunately many people would lose respect for me.
