I challenge: 9/11 conspiracy theories.

fatMatch said:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm.

WTC 7 was rigged for demolition within 3 hours of the order. Any demolition expert will tell you it takes much longer to fully rig a building like that for controlled demolition. He also collected a fuckton of insurance money for demo'ing it. The charges to demo that building were in place prior to him publically deciding to pull it.

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The building collapsed. If you view one of the videos. It even shows that the building has started to collapse by the penthouse. Then, it finishes with the whole thing crashing.

Miss Hannah Minx said:

fatMatch said:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm.

WTC 7 was rigged for demolition within 3 hours of the order. Any demolition expert will tell you it takes much longer to fully rig a building like that for controlled demolition. He also collected a fuckton of insurance money for demo'ing it. The charges to demo that building were in place prior to him publically deciding to pull it.

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The building collapsed. If you view one of the videos. It even shows that the building has started to collapse by the penthouse. Then, it finishes with the whole thing crashing.

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This is funny.

Compare the WTC 7 building with ANY controlled demolition. WTC 7 had the exact same pivot point as when a controlled demolition does. It causes the building to folder inwards and collapse.

Now, are you honestly going to sit there and say collapsed on it's own?

Steezy said:

Miss Hannah Minx said:

fatMatch said:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm.

WTC 7 was rigged for demolition within 3 hours of the order. Any demolition expert will tell you it takes much longer to fully rig a building like that for controlled demolition. He also collected a fuckton of insurance money for demo'ing it. The charges to demo that building were in place prior to him publically deciding to pull it.

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The building collapsed. If you view one of the videos. It even shows that the building has started to collapse by the penthouse. Then, it finishes with the whole thing crashing.

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This is funny.

Compare the WTC 7 building with ANY controlled demolition. WTC 7 had the exact same pivot point as when a controlled demolition does. It causes the building to folder inwards and collapse.

Now, are you honestly going to sit there and say collapsed on it's own?

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I'm glad you find your intelligence hilarious.

You see it took A LOT for that building to come down.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI[/yt]

Here's a picture of when the WTC 1 fell, and ALL that debris smacked the shit out of WTC 7.



Before it collapsed it did a little strut before collapsing. CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS CANNOT DO THAT.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHwvwJCmgk[/yt]

Miss Hannah Minx said:

Steezy said:

Miss Hannah Minx said:

The building collapsed. If you view one of the videos. It even shows that the building has started to collapse by the penthouse. Then, it finishes with the whole thing crashing.

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This is funny.

Compare the WTC 7 building with ANY controlled demolition. WTC 7 had the exact same pivot point as when a controlled demolition does. It causes the building to folder inwards and collapse.

Now, are you honestly going to sit there and say collapsed on it's own?

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I'm glad you find your intelligence hilarious.

You see it took A LOT for that building to come down.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI[/yt]

Here's a picture of when the WTC 1 fell, and ALL that debris smacked the shit out of WTC 7.



Before it collapsed it did a little strut before collapsing. CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS CANNOT DO THAT.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHwvwJCmgk[/yt]

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Regardless, if a building is going to collapse it doesn't start with a fault in the structural integrity by the penthouse, it starts at the base. The penthouse has nothing to do with it.

fatMatch said:

Miss Hannah Minx said:

Steezy said:

This is funny.

Compare the WTC 7 building with ANY controlled demolition. WTC 7 had the exact same pivot point as when a controlled demolition does. It causes the building to folder inwards and collapse.

Now, are you honestly going to sit there and say collapsed on it's own?

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I'm glad you find your intelligence hilarious.

You see it took A LOT for that building to come down.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI[/yt]

Here's a picture of when the WTC 1 fell, and ALL that debris smacked the shit out of WTC 7.



Before it collapsed it did a little strut before collapsing. CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS CANNOT DO THAT.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHwvwJCmgk[/yt]

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Regardless, if a building is going to collapse it doesn't start with a fault in the structural integrity by the penthouse, it starts at the base. The penthouse has nothing to do with it.

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If you would have done some more research, you would know that a collapse would make the building fall straight down, rather than the building lean.



Also, if you looked at the floor plan you would see that it also has been demolished on the base.

Nirvana said:

Miss Hannah Minx said:

Justin said:

So are you saying that you are closed minded if you believe it was an inside job?

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I believe it unless I'm proven otherwise. Can you try me?

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I mean if it's an inside job it could go different ways, I mean look back in history in the Soviet Union times when that one couple was caught leaking nuclear hints to the soviet union from the goverment or whatever. I believe maybe it was just a terrorist scare act like A LOT of terrorist attacks have been, I love US, Ancient (greek, egyptian, etc.) history, and modern history.

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The Rosenberg's were wrongly convicted. Its suppose to be guilty without doubt yet there were no evidence against them.

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I'll go ahead and ask you this. What makes you think that you a regular person would be able to prove or disprove anything? All of your "facts" are coming from other strangers who have no real inside or your own thoughts.

Personally I don't believe it was an inside of any sort but I'll give you a few common theories:
*Israels involvement
*How did the steel collapse like that from impact
*Why was it that the only plane not to reach its target was the one heading towards the DMV...

Israel? Sure, let's just blame the Jews for everything.

Steel was collapsed from the impact of the plane, and the heating of it from the Jet fuel.

The DMV? You mean the White House? No-one really knows, people say that the people on the plane fought back, and others say that it was shot down.

Miss Hannah Minx said:

Israel? Sure, let's just blame the Jews for everything.

Steel was collapsed from the impact of the plane, and the heating of it from the Jet fuel.

The DMV? You mean the White House? No-one really knows, people say that the people on the plane fought back, and others say that it was shot down.

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1. Not a very thought out answer. I could just say sure, let's blame Al Qaeda for everything. Israeli agents were arrested within the day prior for suspicious activity.

2. A plane could not cause buildings of those size and material to just collapse. The temperate of burning jet fuel could not melt the steel support.

3. They say that the passengers fought back causing the plane to crash. Isn't it odd that the plane heading towards the capital didn't make it?

1. Well they even said themselves that they did it.


2. Oh really? Jet fuel burns over 900 degree Celsius, the fuel was ALSO sitting there for 90 minutes. Steel melts at 1370 degrees, 90 minutes is enough time for that jet fuel to weaken those steel bars. Learn thermodynamics.


3. Not at all odd. Explain how it is SO odd to you.

Miss Hannah Minx said:

1. Well they even said themselves that they did it.


2. Oh really? Jet fuel burns over 900 degree Celsius, the fuel was ALSO sitting there for 90 minutes. Steel melts at 1370 degrees, 90 minutes is enough time for that jet fuel to weaken those steel bars. Learn thermodynamics.


3. Not at all odd. Explain how it is SO odd to you.

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1. Of course they'd like to take action for things that would make them seem mighty and powerful. If you watch family guy at all the one where the US government is behind the conspiracies to seem strong.

2. Its an accepted fact by architect and scientists that it could not. If you don't believe that I don't know what to tell you.

3. Any damage to the white house would have been extremely dramatic. I don't think any administration would approve damaging the white house therefore they made it dramatic but not to the point of actual damage.

ashin kusher said:

Anyone who lives in America and thinks it was an inside job can be charged for treason I'm sure

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It's called freedom of speech. Not sure what slave driving place you live in :3. But ya you can't be taken in for treason.

wale said:

Miss Hannah Minx said:

1. Well they even said themselves that they did it.


2. Oh really? Jet fuel burns over 900 degree Celsius, the fuel was ALSO sitting there for 90 minutes. Steel melts at 1370 degrees, 90 minutes is enough time for that jet fuel to weaken those steel bars. Learn thermodynamics.


3. Not at all odd. Explain how it is SO odd to you.

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1. Of course they'd like to take action for things that would make them seem mighty and powerful. If you watch family guy at all the one where the US government is behind the conspiracies to seem strong.

2. Its an accepted fact by architect and scientists that it could not. If you don't believe that I don't know what to tell you.

3. Any damage to the white house would have been extremely dramatic. I don't think any administration would approve damaging the white house therefore they made it dramatic but not to the point of actual damage.

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1. Family guy, awesome. Next thing you know Star Wars will come true.

2. Accepted fact? Please bring some sources in before Making this assumption of a "fact" you presume to be true.

3. Look-up the damage of Flight 93, tell me if there's any type of missile impacts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Israeli_agents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Collapse

You attempt to mock me for mentioning a show in a debate section on a runescape forum. It reality you look like an idiot who attempts to make feel intelligent by convincing others. I have nothing other to say to this then how are you challenging any of the theories I've brought up? Are you a part of any government or respectable organization to be claiming theories are wrong?

wale said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Israeli_agents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Collapse

You attempt to mock me for mentioning a show in a debate section on a runescape forum. It reality you look like an idiot who attempts to make feel intelligent by convincing others. I have nothing other to say to this then how are you challenging any of the theories I've brought up? Are you a part of any government or respectable organization to be claiming theories are wrong?

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Lol, I love the Israeli agent one. I read the source
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885

"She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police."

For one, the police line was most likely being phoned about y'know the two towers being all damaged and stuff. They're not gonna come and get some "young guys, messing around." Also, where did it say in the source that they were Israeli agents? It clearly said, Israeli citizens. Israeli citizens doesn't mean they ARE a Jewish ethnicity. Also, remember the Russian spy-ring that was found a few years ago? They posted their pictures? Why not post these so-called "Israeli Agents", you speak of. THEN, you didn't even read the rest of your source where it also clearly states, "The FBI eventually concluded that the five Israelis had no foreknowledge of the attacks".

Oh, these stupid thermite theories again. /facepalm

Okay, ever heard of the Air France 358?



That didn't hit a building going 500 miles an hour? Although the plane was made out of aluminum making it melt. Which shows that the side of the little window showing your so called "thermite" dripping it's hot sauce, is also aluminum.

Don't believe me? Check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Architectural_design

Also, yes those steel columns can indeed be weakened/melted with Jet fuel. It can reach over 1,000 degrees C.
http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/pr...e/fireModelling/nominalFireCurves/default.htm

Do I work for the government? Does it really matter?

But yes, I'm in the United States Navy. What's up?

The fact that wikipedia is being used as a valid source is priceless. Although what makes a source valid? So then again, maybe it's not so priceless. Anywho, I think it was more than just an attack of terror. I do believe there was U.S cooperation, but my theory is so expansive I'd have to come back after it's proper formulation. And even then, it would probably just open the door for even more looney questions.

Blastionx7 said:

The fact that wikipedia is being used as a valid source is priceless. Although what makes a source valid? So then again, maybe it's not so priceless. Anywho, I think it was more than just an attack of terror. I do believe there was U.S cooperation, but my theory is so expansive I'd have to come back after it's proper formulation. And even then, it would probably just open the door for even more looney questions.

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Oh I agree, Wiki is a shit source to use. I usually use the citations.

But, U.S. cooperation? So, you believe that the United States killed 3,000 people, fucked up their economy, and political power. Just for oil? :sleep:

Haha oh gosh noo. My theory far exceeds what most people may think. It's not so much political as it is supernatural. I'm just gonna stop there for now, I'll be back though!

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But I wouldn't put that past the U.S. Regardless of what we are brought up to believe, we're not a classy country. Classy in our own thoughts, yes. But there's a reason why plenty of other nations out in the world greatly disapprove of us. I had the chance to see exactly why this year in my AP U.S History class. The things we got away with... We definitely had some sort of favor on our side.

Blastionx7 said:

Haha oh gosh noo. My theory far exceeds what most people may think. It's not so much political as it is supernatural. I'm just gonna stop there for now, I'll be back though!

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But I wouldn't put that past the U.S. Regardless of what we are brought up to believe, we're not a classy country. Classy in our own thoughts, yes. But there's a reason why plenty of other nations out in the world greatly disapprove of us. I had the chance to see exactly why this year in my AP U.S History class. The things we got away with... We definitely had some sort of favor on our side.

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Like it or not EVERY country is like that. EVERY country had/has corruption, EVERY country had done something that EVERY country did not like. Get used to it.

Haha defintely. I never said, nor implied that that isn't the case. But the discussion was about the U.S., so I used a reference to our historical past to support my view. That's all.

Blastionx7 said:

Haha defintely. I never said, nor implied that that isn't the case. But the discussion was about the U.S., so I used a reference to our historical past to support my view. That's all.

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Well, then it'd be no problem for me to also reference other countries doing the same thing. So they can stop blaming the U.S for their own problems.