Presidential debate on.

[Gengar_mybb_import19743]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your family isn't lowerclass or middleclass. Correct?


What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on? Vice versa depending on who's answering it.

 

[Adam]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your family isn't lowerclass or middleclass. Correct?


What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on?

I assume you are talking to eXero but I will respond anyway.

My family is upper middleclass.

 

[Gengar_mybb_import19743]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your family isn't lowerclass or middleclass. Correct?


What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on?

I assume you are talking to eXero but I will respond anyway.

My family is upper middleclass.

I was asking exero. But I want you to answer the 2nd question too because now I'm curious.

 

[Deathcrow]

@"Adam", you didn't respond to my whole post like I figured. And you repeated what I had already said. Your post didn't tell me anything new or what I didn't know. I had already said in my post that his income is from investments....stocks. Your response made it sound like I didn't say that.

I put what I did at the bottom of my post mainly for you, because I knew you would post without responding to everything I said or that you would respond on just one thing.

@"Gengar", though you weren't asking me I will still answer that question. My family is middle class.

 

[Gengar_mybb_import19743]

Why does everyone answer the first question but not the second? >.<

 

[Adam]

Why does everyone answer the first question but not the second? >.<

I can't answer it. I do not support Romney.

 

[Deathcrow]

Why does everyone answer the first question but not the second? >.<

I can't answer it. I do not support Romney.

What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on? Vice versa depending on who's answering it.

Hmm...this topic should probably be in debates instead of lobby.

 

[Cubs_mybb_import12687]

Just for you buddy, forgive me though I only know what I've discussed with my family.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your family isn't lowerclass or middleclass. Correct?

Just this past year my dad became a millionare, making us in the 1%, if people in America still use that term. So I feel like I could be asked your question.

What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on? Vice versa depending on who's answering it.

I support Romney for how he understands business. One of his focuses is on small businesses. My dad recently became a millionare as I said above. He did this by working for a company, recieved a lot of shares and the company was sold and he made millions. He could have simply retired and lived off it and probably could have paid for most my and my brothers and sisters life as well. But instead he made his own business, which is going slightly downhill, he's working on making costs meet profits. According to Obama, he's what would be given extra taxes, so that the middle-class could have theirs lowered. Romney's against this, he thinks small-business owners like my dad need encouragement, these businesses make alot of jobs in America. My dad's business would go down the tubes if he had any more taxes, which would happen under another 4 years of Obama.

I think I repeated myself a little to much in that, but I'm just trying to cover my point. Romney understands business and jobs, he'd get America out of debt, I believe. The problem is Obama seems to get people, the majority of voters are middle-class, he's going to tell them whatever makes them vote for him, which is less taxes on them. This sounds good to anyone, but in the long run this would kill small businesses and would make our economy even worse.

Hope my answer was good enough to explain myself

 

[Adam]

Just for you buddy, forgive me though I only know what I've discussed with my family.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your family isn't lowerclass or middleclass. Correct?

Just this past year my dad became a millionare, making us in the 1%, if people in America still use that term. So I feel like I could be asked your question.

What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on? Vice versa depending on who's answering it.

I support Romney for how he understands business. One of his focuses is on small businesses. My dad recently became a millionare as I said above. He did this by working for a company, recieved a lot of shares and the company was sold and he made millions. He could have simply retired and lived off it and probably could have paid for most my and my brothers and sisters life as well. But instead he made his own business, which is going slightly downhill, he's working on making costs meet profits. According to Obama, he's what would be given extra taxes, so that the middle-class could have theirs lowered. Romney's against this, he thinks small-business owners like my dad need encouragement, these businesses make alot of jobs in America. My dad's business would go down the tubes if he had any more taxes, which would happen under another 4 years of Obama.

I think I repeated myself a little to much in that, but I'm just trying to cover my point. Romney understands business and jobs, he'd get America out of debt, I believe. The problem is Obama seems to get people, the majority of voters are middle-class, he's going to tell them whatever makes them vote for him, which is less taxes on them. This sounds good to anyone, but in the long run this would kill small businesses and would make our economy even worse.

Hope my answer was good enough to explain myself

You have to be an idiot to believe that small business pay their taxes 100% correctly. Especially when it's a cash based business. Todd Palin(Sarah Palins husbands) paid taxes on 14k in 2008. He actually earned around 100k but his business was cash based. People don't report cash based transactions.

 

[Deathcrow]

You can tell a person is insecure about what they have to say when they start it by calling people names.

Anything you have to say can easily be said without name calling or attempting to degrade others.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Adam]

You can tell a person is insecure about what they have to say when they start it by calling people names.

Anything you have to say can easily be said without name calling or attempting to degrade others.

Just my 2 cents.

I was having this same debate on Facebook and I just copied and pasted my post.

 

[Deathcrow]

lol. I keep politics out of my Facebook.

 

[Cubs_mybb_import12687]

Just for you buddy, forgive me though I only know what I've discussed with my family.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your family isn't lowerclass or middleclass. Correct?

Just this past year my dad became a millionare, making us in the 1%, if people in America still use that term. So I feel like I could be asked your question.

What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on? Vice versa depending on who's answering it.

I support Romney for how he understands business. One of his focuses is on small businesses. My dad recently became a millionare as I said above. He did this by working for a company, recieved a lot of shares and the company was sold and he made millions. He could have simply retired and lived off it and probably could have paid for most my and my brothers and sisters life as well. But instead he made his own business, which is going slightly downhill, he's working on making costs meet profits. According to Obama, he's what would be given extra taxes, so that the middle-class could have theirs lowered. Romney's against this, he thinks small-business owners like my dad need encouragement, these businesses make alot of jobs in America. My dad's business would go down the tubes if he had any more taxes, which would happen under another 4 years of Obama.

I think I repeated myself a little to much in that, but I'm just trying to cover my point. Romney understands business and jobs, he'd get America out of debt, I believe. The problem is Obama seems to get people, the majority of voters are middle-class, he's going to tell them whatever makes them vote for him, which is less taxes on them. This sounds good to anyone, but in the long run this would kill small businesses and would make our economy even worse.

Hope my answer was good enough to explain myself

You have to be an idiot to believe that small business pay their taxes 100% correctly. Especially when it's a cash based business. Todd Palin(Sarah Palins husbands) paid taxes on 14k in 2008. He actually earned around 100k but his business was cash based. People don't report cash based transactions.

Dear sir, I'm sure you're having a horrible day, as seen by actually insulting me after my first post on this thread. I wish your day is better now .

Now I'm afraid I don't exactly know much about this, what exactly is a cash based business and how's it different than whatever other kinds of business there are?

Here's what I think I can say though. Who's job is it to govern taxes, who enforces laws on them? Government, right? So if there are illegal tax evasions going on, I say it's up to the government to catch it and enforce the law. No, that doesn't mean you can abuse it, but lets be honest, some people will on matter what.

And tbh, my point was that we need more small business, not for taxes really but for jobs.

Those are my thoughts, I'm stubborn but I know I can be wrong, so please feel free to explain things to me if you feel I'm wrong :3.

 

[Adam]

Just for you buddy, forgive me though I only know what I've discussed with my family.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your family isn't lowerclass or middleclass. Correct?

Just this past year my dad became a millionare, making us in the 1%, if people in America still use that term. So I feel like I could be asked your question.

What do you support Romney for? What do you not agree with Obama on? Vice versa depending on who's answering it.

I support Romney for how he understands business. One of his focuses is on small businesses. My dad recently became a millionare as I said above. He did this by working for a company, recieved a lot of shares and the company was sold and he made millions. He could have simply retired and lived off it and probably could have paid for most my and my brothers and sisters life as well. But instead he made his own business, which is going slightly downhill, he's working on making costs meet profits. According to Obama, he's what would be given extra taxes, so that the middle-class could have theirs lowered. Romney's against this, he thinks small-business owners like my dad need encouragement, these businesses make alot of jobs in America. My dad's business would go down the tubes if he had any more taxes, which would happen under another 4 years of Obama.

I think I repeated myself a little to much in that, but I'm just trying to cover my point. Romney understands business and jobs, he'd get America out of debt, I believe. The problem is Obama seems to get people, the majority of voters are middle-class, he's going to tell them whatever makes them vote for him, which is less taxes on them. This sounds good to anyone, but in the long run this would kill small businesses and would make our economy even worse.

Hope my answer was good enough to explain myself

You have to be an idiot to believe that small business pay their taxes 100% correctly. Especially when it's a cash based business. Todd Palin(Sarah Palins husbands) paid taxes on 14k in 2008. He actually earned around 100k but his business was cash based. People don't report cash based transactions.

Dear sir, I'm sure you're having a horrible day, as seen by actually insulting me after my first post on this thread. I wish your day is better now .

Now I'm afraid I don't exactly know much about this, what exactly is a cash based business and how's it different than whatever other kinds of business there are?

Here's what I think I can say though. Who's job is it to govern taxes, who enforces laws on them? Government, right? So if there are illegal tax evasions going on, I say it's up to the government to catch it and enforce the law. No, that doesn't mean you can abuse it, but lets be honest, some people will on matter what.

And tbh, my point was that we need more small business, not for taxes really but for jobs.

Those are my thoughts, I'm stubborn but I know I can be wrong, so please feel free to explain things to me if you feel I'm wrong :3.

I'm sorry if I offended you. Like I stated in a post above I just copied and pasted something I had posted on Facebook in a similar debate. Cash based businesses are businesses that primarily get paid in paper money. People don't report this because they have no reason to report it. When a buisness is based on debit/credit card transactions the money goes unto your bank account. This can easily be traced back as income because it is being paid to your buisness. Cash transactions are virtually impossible to trace because there is no evidence of anything changing hands. The buisness owner could simply take the cash and put it under his bed.


Sorry for my bad grammar and spelling. I posted this on my phone.

 

[Cubs_mybb_import12687]

Ohhh I get it. Ya, that makes total sense. I didn't know mainly because my dad's company is all real transactions, on cash. I guess we kind of agree on that point, when I said people will always abuse the system.

But how does this relate exactly to my argument on Romney and Obama?

Oh and np buddy, I'm not easily offended .

 

[eXero]

Obama is a socialist. America is not a socialist country.

Obama believes in redistribution of wealth, taxing the upper class, and giving it to the poor. No matter how good this may seem for the poor people, it's not right; morally, ethically, or politically.

My family is the middle-class. Not even upper, because I've had to go without stuff sometimes (not vital stuff, but, stuff that doesn't classify me as middle-upper.)

I could go on and on, but that would be too much and I'm too busy, so keep asking the questions and I will try and answer the best I can.

 

[Adam]

Ohhh I get it. Ya, that makes total sense. I didn't know mainly because my dad's company is all real transactions, on cash. I guess we kind of agree on that point, when I said people will always abuse the system.

But how does this relate exactly to my argument on Romney and Obama?

Oh and np buddy, I'm not easily offended .

It applies because it makes no difference if they lower taxes on (most) small businesses. They cheat the system anyway so it just helps them cheat it more

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Obama is a socialist. America is not a socialist country.

Obama believes in redistribution of wealth, taxing the upper class, and giving it to the poor. No matter how good this may seem for the poor people, it's not right; morally, ethically, or politically.

My family is the middle-class. Not even upper, because I've had to go without stuff sometimes (not vital stuff, but, stuff that doesn't classify me as middle-upper.)

I could go on and on, but that would be too much and I'm too busy, so keep asking the questions and I will try and answer the best I can.

Explain how Obama is a socialist.


You are a dumbfuck.

If ANYONE who is younger than 26 and older than 18 doesn't support Obama they are idiots.

Obamacare requires insurance companies to allow families to keep their children on their insurance until the turn 26.

Have fun paying for your own insurance once you turn 18 eXero

 

[Gengar_mybb_import19743]

Obama is a socialist. America is not a socialist country.

Obama believes in redistribution of wealth, taxing the upper class, and giving it to the poor. No matter how good this may seem for the poor people, it's not right; morally, ethically, or politically.

My family is the middle-class. Not even upper, because I've had to go without stuff sometimes (not vital stuff, but, stuff that doesn't classify me as middle-upper.)

I could go on and on, but that would be too much and I'm too busy, so keep asking the questions and I will try and answer the best I can.

And why are you siding with Romney?

 

[Cubs_mybb_import12687]

Ohhh I get it. Ya, that makes total sense. I didn't know mainly because my dad's company is all real transactions, on cash. I guess we kind of agree on that point, when I said people will always abuse the system.

But how does this relate exactly to my argument on Romney and Obama?

Oh and np buddy, I'm not easily offended .

It applies because it makes no difference if they lower taxes on (most) small businesses. They cheat the system anyway so it just helps them cheat it more

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Obama is a socialist. America is not a socialist country.

Obama believes in redistribution of wealth, taxing the upper class, and giving it to the poor. No matter how good this may seem for the poor people, it's not right; morally, ethically, or politically.

My family is the middle-class. Not even upper, because I've had to go without stuff sometimes (not vital stuff, but, stuff that doesn't classify me as middle-upper.)

I could go on and on, but that would be too much and I'm too busy, so keep asking the questions and I will try and answer the best I can.

I like how you call me a socialist because I support someone who in your opinion, is a socialist. I think republicans are dumbfucks. Does this make me right? No. Does you calling me a socialist correct no?


Am I correct when I say you are a dumbfuck? Yes.

If ANYONE who is younger than 26 and older than 18 doesn't support Obama they are idiots.

Obamacare requires insurance companies to allow families to keep their children on their insurance until the turn 26.

Have fun paying for your own insurance once you turn 18 eXero

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Ah, but if their already avoiding their taxes(cash businesses) then lowering it won't do anything, since they don't really pay them. And those whose transactions are easier to trace, should be watched better. With lower taxes, more small businesses could be made.
If a candy bar is $1, maybe 5 people can buy it. If it's 75 cents then let's say 8 people can buy one. It costs less, but more was made since more could buy one. A slightly different example, but I think it can prove my point. The candy bar has a price beforehand for whoever is selling it. What does it cost government if a business starts up? All they do is tax them, it's pure profit. So lower taxes, more can small businesses can be made and taxes don't change, and more jobs become available to everyone.

Also, he didn't call you socialist, he said Obama is and America isn't meant to be. Also I completely agree with eXero on distribution of wealth. The rich earned it, my dad worked hard for the money he's earned. He hasn't cheated anyone and he's treated people fairly. Why should he, the rich, be taxed even more so that the middle-class get more? Obama does it simply to get the majority vote, the middle-class is the majority of voters, if their happy he gets in again.

 

[eXero]

@Adam - Just because something is free to you doesn't mean someone doesn't have to pay. Who do you think pays for the free healthcare?

And, if you are a lazy and don't want to go get a job to pay for your health insurance, than that's your problem. As for me, I want to work hard, and take the least amount of benefits from the upper class as I have to.

That's what's wrong with today's youth: they don't know how to work hard, work for what they want/need, and go without some things. You expect everything to be given to you for free, at the expense of other people, and that is not right.

@Gengar - I side with Romney because he stands for the hard-working American. He is going to be the one to get the US out of it's financial slump, that Obama has failed to do.

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By the way, under Obamacare, you can stay on your parents health care until you are 26.