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Valiant said:
It really isn't insane at all. We've only discovered some of the elements? We've discovered every single stable element. I feel like i'm just repeating myself over and over again becuase you guys are too single minded. I have already opened my mind to your theories, but the facts that I know all go against it. Please reread my previous posts... I'm guessing most of you haven't taken physics, biology, and chemistry at high to college levels. I'm sorry, I don't need to sound mean. Just try to imagine yourself knowing a whole lot about this stuff--hard concrete facts. Then, having to explain to people who won't let go of the fanciful idea that life can exist at a 1000 degrees celcius, have pressures of 412 lbs/in^2, and flesh/muscles made out of iron and dna/brain cells made out of mercury. @color

You're right, I haven't taken physics, although, I passed chemistry with a breeze and I'm finishing biology up in the high 90's. I honestly have no clue why you find it so hard to grasp, that things could be incredibly different elsewhere. It's quite hard to imagine what we don't know, of course, but to think we know what we don't, isn't any better.
Look at how much we've altered belief based on scientific discoveries over just the last, say, 50 years. If you think we're going to just stop, find out that we know it all, and nothing else is to be discovered, I think you'll find yourself to be sadly mistaken. The elements we've discovered have only been proven to be stable under the conditions of the earth, we don't have the first clue how they'll react under others until we're able to test them, which certainly won't be in our life time. There are gaps in the periodic table yet to be discovered, so we certainly don't know it all. The difference between mammals, bacteria, plants, etc. here on earth should be reason enough to believe there are a ton more possibilities for organisms to survive.
 

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Color said:
You're right, I haven't taken physics, although, I passed chemistry with a breeze and I'm finishing biology up in the high 90's. I honestly have no clue why you find it so hard to grasp, that things could be incredibly different elsewhere. It's quite hard to imagine what we don't know, of course, but to think we know what we don't, isn't any better.
Look at how much we've altered belief based on scientific discoveries over just the last, say, 50 years. If you think we're going to just stop, find out that we know it all, and nothing else is to be discovered, I think you'll find yourself to be sadly mistaken. The elements we've discovered have only been proven to be stable under the conditions of the earth, we don't have the first clue how they'll react under others until we're able to test them, which certainly won't be in our life time. There are gaps in the periodic table yet to be discovered, so we certainly don't know it all. The difference between mammals, bacteria, plants, etc. here on earth should be reason enough to believe there are a ton more possibilities for organisms to survive.

Here is a direct quote "Large atomic nuclei, with more than 83 protons and their associated complement of neutrons, are inherently unstable. Uranium and plutonium are examples of such elements. Small atomic nuclei may also be radioactive if the ratio of neutrons to protons exceeds certain limits." Stability won't make much of difference on other planets. Let's say there is a planet that has the ability to make every single element stable. The elements themselves are too dense, massive, and powerful, and don't have the simple life creating characteristics of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Life is unique. Those elements are unique. I am here to disparage all hope for there to be an entirely different type of 'life' on different planets. Now, I do support an idea of a world that is completely spectacular, that has things the world has never seen before. But these things will not be moving and thinking.
 
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