Should offsite scammers be banned?

Michael · Feb 28, 2014

This is a question that I want you to answer with complete honesty. I've seen a few people who have done so and I don't see much of a problem unless it's a member from our community. Do you think offsite scammers should be banned? If we get more of a positive vibe then I guess I'll let Philly know that you guys want them gone or maybe he'll just read the thread.

Astro · Feb 28, 2014

I believe that if the scam they committed has absolutely zero connection to the site, or any users on the site, then they don't deserve a ban.
If they have however had a connection to a scam against the site or a user on the site, I believe they should at the very least, be dealt with caution.

Yeti · Feb 28, 2014

Ummmm... I think offsite scammers should be banned but most people can easily make a fake scam reports on anyone..
Heres a test to see..

THE FOLLOWING IS NOT REAL

See? Fake a scam report easy af.

Phormick · Feb 28, 2014

Yeti said:
Ummmm... I think offsite scammed can be banned but I can make a fake scam report on anyone..
Heres a test to see..

See? Fake a scam report easy af.

No, it's hard as fuck, because any old admin can waltz into your PMs and see all ingoing and outgoing PMs.

Michael · Feb 28, 2014

Yeti said:
Ummmm... I think offsite scammers should be banned but I can make a fake scam report on anyone..
Heres a test to see..

See? Fake a scam report easy af.

The other user would get a Staff member to go on Teamviewer to show actual logs if he disapproves of yours, and then you're fucked.

Yeti · Feb 28, 2014

FedEx said:
No, it's hard as fuck, because any old admin can waltz into your PMs and see all ingoing and outgoing PMs.

Not if you turn inside out the MD5# and the clearance level is lowered.

Phormick · Feb 28, 2014

I don't think they SHOULD be banned, as it wasn't on the site, but I don't think it is unreasonable to warn other users about this person.

Gor · Feb 28, 2014

Scamming is scamming. Justifying it with "off site" exclusion is pathetic.

Yeti · Feb 28, 2014

Michael said:
The other user would get a Staff member to go on Teamviewer to show actual logs if he disapproves of yours, and then you're fucked.

Well thats a lot of work, and Philly doesn't really approve any suggestions anymore. :\

I'm sure this would be veto'd

Phormick · Feb 28, 2014

Yeti said:
Not if you turn inside out the MD5# and the clearance level is lowered.

ENGLISH please? I'm not some l33t h4x0r like you.

Michael · Feb 28, 2014

GOR said:
Scamming is scamming. Justifying it with "off site" exclusion is pathetic.

If it has absolutely nothing to do with the community whatsoever as well?

Gor · Feb 28, 2014

Michael said:
If it has absolutely nothing to do with the community whatsoever as well?

As I stated in my first point. Scamming is scamming. These community and offsite mind sets or beliefs about how it's not the same thing are pathetic and self made loop holes to make the scammers feel better. As I said before scamming I scamming and is pathetic. The details of the scam don't change anything.

Yeti · Feb 28, 2014

FedEx said:
ENGLISH please? I'm not some l33t h4x0r like you.

Basically flush the DNS
and shove the router pipe up the 404 transfer

Monty · Feb 28, 2014

It's a cop out for punks that can't afford things. You know what my vote would be if I could vote.

JohnnyG · Feb 28, 2014

This is one of the stupidest rules on FK (IMO).

@Michael what is your opinion? I think that scammers are scammers. Why should it matter where you scam? If you murder someone in one state, you're still guilty in the next state lol. Scamming is scamming . Simple as that.

Michael · Feb 28, 2014

JohnnyG said:
This is one of the stupidest rules on FK (IMO).

@Michael what is your opinion? I think that scammers are scammers. Why should it matter where you scam? If you murder someone in one state, you're still guilty in the next state lol. Scamming is scamming . Simple as that.

That's a really good example: "If you murder someone in one state, you're still guilty in the next state". My opinion is well, sitting on the fence. I don't really mind, but if it's someone from our community, I wouldn't be too happy.

Mojo · Feb 28, 2014

JohnnyG said:
This is one of the stupidest rules on FK (IMO).

@Michael what is your opinion? I think that scammers are scammers. Why should it matter where you scam? If you murder someone in one state, you're still guilty in the next state lol. Scamming is scamming . Simple as that.

Exactly! A scam is a scam, no matter how small. I feel that users who scam offsite should not be banned, but they should be stripped of their access to post in the market place, and be labeled "deal with caution".

Michael · Feb 28, 2014

Mojo said:
Exactly! A scam is a scam, no matter how small. I feel that users who scam offsite should not be banned, but they should be stripped of their access to post in the market place, and be labeled "deal with caution".

That's exactly what I was thinking.

JohnnyG · Feb 28, 2014

Why should they not get banned and only get a DwC? Theres nothing different if they were to scam here... Let them pardon for their actions and THEN maybe they can get a DwC.

Hope · Feb 28, 2014

I agree with this on a slight level. I don't think it should be like this though. If they didn't do it here and they are legit than they should be able to maintain a membership here.

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