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I can't agree with this 100% because not all staff are as you describe them to be.

@Justice or @"GrƷƷd" don't do any of this.

I agree fully with you on the bit about pardons, I think that's fucked up. The way that staff handle those.
 

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Plague said:
Seriously, this thread is sort of sparked off by @"gucci"'s thread that he was banned for. FK is just getting more and more strict, and the staff is getting worse as time goes on.

We went from having scammers, corrupt, and just ignorant people on staff to power hungry people. @philly you seriously need to do something about this.

  • Like the upgrades, if someone wants to fucking pay more than it's worth let them, it's none of your concern.


  • As for vouch copies, staff doesn't deserve them anymore then a member that joined yesterday. I know most of the stupid shit staff does offsite, and I've met more trustworthy people that had neg rep.


  • The post boosting in private subforums, if it is a paid section of FK and you don't own it then you have no fucking say what goes on there. It's none of your business what they do in their own section of the site. If you didn't pay for it then leave them alone.


  • The word filters, seriously. Get the fuck over yourselves, when I say
    7C64jV1.png
    and it appears as a goddamn rainbow it's common sense. And all terms as negro, that's fucking stupid. It's not like we are yelling white power and hanging people. We are simply talking to friends. Get rid of all that, someone takes offense to it yet I bet they say it as well.


  • Choosing staff, I believe the FK community should be able to choose who becomes staff. Because most just abuse power and neglect their actual duties. I rarely see any staff member do their job well or help people.


  • People's suggestions, I see some pretty damn good ones constatnly , but they never get implemented because 1 or 2 staff doesn't like it. Yet the whole damn site does. Then I see shit implemented that wasn't even told to us.




I agree with what @malwhere stated as well.




Yes, I do realize this will either be deleted, moved, or I will be banned. But it's worth it for the few people that actually do see it.


1. Sure, whatever.

2. I don't think you quite understand the rule. The rule does not dictate only staff may receive vouch copies, it dictates staff are the only ones who may ask for vouch copies. Anyone and everyone is eligible for receiving a vouch copy long as they meet the seller's qualifications, the seller simply has to offer. We implemented this rule to alleviate the problem of people constantly asking for vouch copies when none were being offered.

3. Capitalism doesn't justify breaking the rules. That's absolutely absurd.

4. Firstly, there's no reason to be offended by the term turning into a rainbow unless you're some hate-filled homophobe. It's the symbol of gay pride. I don't see how that's offensive unless you're a bigot. Secondly, some staff, including myself, are attempting to initiate the end of some terms in the filtration system. "Honestly, I think there shouldn't even be a word filter for remarks that may be deemed offensive by some. If the content within a post is offensive, it'll be reported and dealt with regardless. Censoring and filtering them is pointless. It's not like we can't decipher what they're saying after the filtration anyways."

5. Yeah, no. There will constantly be attempts to demote staff members after a single member disagrees with their ruling, even if the staff member's ruling was valid. The only person's opinion who matters is Philly's. It's his site. He gets to decide who helps run his site. That simple.

6. We don't necessarily decide, Philly does, unless he asks for our opinions.

7. Every staff member votes on a pardon request. A lack of post means no. If the community was the judge of who came back, literally almost every pardon would be accepted, rendering banning utterly pointless.


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Plus 3 of my friends were scammed by staff 1 step down, other went inactive and 1 is currently staff.

If you have proof of that, then show it to Philly. You aren't going to be believed unless your basis is proof rather than rumors.
 

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After the staff's input on this thread, I am still with @Plague on everything that he said in the OP.
 

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When I was moderator on NGU we were not aloud to sell things, we had to keep all activity professional we were basically robots haha but if you'll notice we handled our job very well and professionally. This forum could use some strict guidelines for the staff team because from my perspective (i just lurk usually) a few seem immature maybe what? 15-16 years old? imho you don't have the mental maturity to handle a staff job at that age. *Also was from NGU, I wasn't granted staff until I turned 18

And I agree staff should not be trusted anymore than someone who just joined as they are actually in a better position to go on a scam spree (I have seen it happen a lot on forums)
 

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Staff members that do their job correctly according to me:

@"Michael" (butthole, and knew him from RG.)
@"Narc" (-1000 rep ily bae)
@"Leader" (butthole)
@"Justice" (I've never had any association with you tbh)
@"GrƷƷd" (I h8 u faggot)
@"Cann!bal" (ur so kewl)
 

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Beware said:
I am not one to hop on band wagons, but I agree with Plague. MOST of FK's staff is corrupt.

Another thing that I would like to mention, to the staff especially,

@Philly
@"Cann!bal"
@"GrƷƷd"
@Justice
@Leader
@Michael
@Narc
@"м¢ℓσνιη"

Let's be honest, you should just close sign up's for FK. 95% of all new members as of March 1st is a Multi accounter.

In my opinion, even though the forum team doesn't give a shit about members opinions, is that there should be another reset.

The rep system is COMPLETELY horrible.

Award 4 Award, like seriously? Awards are to be earned, not bought or traded.

Allow members to make public polls about what they want added to ForumKorner. This would make FK less dry.

Again, the forum team might not give a shit about my opinions, but whatever.

Inb4banned
True on the rep system. Not naming any people, but they got 1000 reputation in under 5 months. Nothing suspicious about that.
 

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Cann!bal said:
2. I don't think you quite understand the rule. The rule does not dictate only staff may receive vouch copies, it dictates staff are the only ones who may ask for vouch copies. Anyone and everyone is eligible for receiving a vouch copy long as they meet the seller's qualifications, the seller simply has to offer. We implemented this rule to alleviate the problem of people constantly asking for vouch copies when none were being offered.

I'd like to know why I received a warning level than, the seller was offering me a vouch copy, I took it. I also qualified for taking one.


OT: I agree with you completely @"Plague"!
 

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Beware said:
I am not one to hop on band wagons, but I agree with Plague. MOST of FK's staff is corrupt.

Another thing that I would like to mention, to the staff especially,

@Philly
@"Cann!bal"
@"GrƷƷd"
@Justice
@Leader
@Michael
@Narc
@"м¢ℓσνιη"

Let's be honest, you should just close sign up's for FK. 95% of all new members as of March 1st is a Multi accounter.

In my opinion, even though the forum team doesn't give a shit about members opinions, is that there should be another reset.

The rep system is COMPLETELY horrible.

Award 4 Award, like seriously? Awards are to be earned, not bought or traded.

Allow members to make public polls about what they want added to ForumKorner. This would make FK less dry.

Again, the forum team might not give a shit about my opinions, but whatever.

Inb4banned

I've been trying to change everything you've mentioned since I joined the team.
 

Bump Bot

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I'm just confused why shift would be chosen for staff in a heartbeat @leader the shot to the heart is real. Can you Add Back To FK SKYPE Chat too? Skype :Jingle.
 

Aura

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The exagerations throughout this rant defeats the effort you put into it. The staff DO their jobs. The forum for the most part is great, and I have yet to see any extreme abuse of power from any of the current staff. I don't see where this frustration is coming from.
 

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Plague said:
Seriously, this thread is sort of sparked off by @"gucci"'s thread that he was banned for. FK is just getting more and more strict, and the staff is getting worse as time goes on.

Let me start off by saying that Gucci's thread was aimed at us being abusive with our powers. I allowed his thread to be up because he had a right to express his views. Everyone was posting complete nonsense, so instead I moved it to the Spamming & Trolling section so I wouldn't have to warn or ban anyone. He then continued to disrespect me, the team, and Philly in a multitude of ways. That's what got him banned, not for posting a thread with his opinion about us. Anyone can do that. As for us getting more strict, I don't believe that's happening. We're enforcing the rules that we're told. We don't create any rules at all, it is solely up to Philly on why we should ban someone, warn someone, move a thread, remove a post, etc.

As for the "the staff is getting worse as time goes on." part, I cannot agree or disagree. I have only been here for 1 year and I haven't seen any corrupt staff members at all. When I joined it was the exact same Staff team which included Jason & Poe. Cann!bal was then added, then I was added, and Leader. I haven't experienced any of us being corrupt in any way possible. That would get us demoted INSTANTLY.

We went from having scammers, corrupt, and just ignorant people on staff to power hungry people. @philly you seriously need to do something about this.

You have no idea how hard we are all working to keep FK in good standing behind the scenes. We try so hard and dedicate endless hours and sometimes no sleep at all to help members recover their accounts, take care of reports, think of new things we can implement, testing things, taking care of hundreds of reports daily, etc.

  • Like the upgrades, if someone wants to fucking pay more than it's worth let them, it's none of your concern.

I agree. I don't really mind about upgrades, but once again it isn't our decision.

  • As for vouch copies, staff doesn't deserve them anymore then a member that joined yesterday. I know most of the stupid shit staff does offsite, and I've met more trustworthy people that had neg rep.

We don't receive every vouch copy for every eBook. We can only ask for vouch copies and receiving one and reviewing it would make the sales increase. Anyone is able to receive a vouch copy, just don't ask for one.


  • The post boosting in private subforums, if it is a paid section of FK and you don't own it then you have no fucking say what goes on there. It's none of your business what they do in their own section of the site. If you didn't pay for it then leave them alone.

This could all be reversed if post count was not added in those forums, then we wouldn't have a problem. Sadly that won't happen. We are to moderate all forums, but Staff are not allowed into every group subforum. That is only for Philly! Post boosting will never be allowed in any forum on FK. (Besides S&T, since it doesn't count). We recently had to junk 3 threads containing 1,000 posts of complete bullshit. The user was spamming to win the FK Posting Contest.

  • The word filters, seriously. Get the fuck over yourselves, when I say
    7C64jV1.png
    and it appears as a goddamn rainbow it's common sense. And all terms as negro, that's fucking stupid. It's not like we are yelling white power and hanging people. We are simply talking to friends. Get rid of all that, someone takes offense to it yet I bet they say it as well.

A few of us are trying to get this removed.


  • Choosing staff, I believe the FK community should be able to choose who becomes staff. Because most just abuse power and neglect their actual duties. I rarely see any staff member do their job well or help people.

That wouldn't work out. Philly chooses the Staff, and probably with some help from his team. By power abuse, do you mean take care of reports? If someone reports you for something, and we have to warn you, then don't complain and whine because you broke rules. All of us do our job well and help as many people as we can. It pisses me off that you say RARELY any Staff do their job. If you could do what we do for one day you'd understand how much we do. Don't assume by what you see.


  • People's suggestions, I see some pretty damn good ones constatnly , but they never get implemented because 1 or 2 staff doesn't like it. Yet the whole damn site does. Then I see shit implemented that wasn't even told to us.

We have SO many new plugins lined up, don't think we're not going to make some drastic changes and implement some new shit. The reason they get closed is because they've been suggested before and suggesting it a second time would result in closure.


Yes, I do realize this will either be deleted, moved, or I will be banned. But it's worth it for the few people that actually do see it.
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No, you have an opinion. Just like I do. You won't be banned, this won't be deleted or moved. Why are you acting like we can't take criticism? If there's something we do that you don't like, tell us.

Beware said:
I am not one to hop on band wagons, but I agree with Plague. MOST of FK's staff is corrupt.

Name them then? Speak to Philly? Don't whine on a thread about a select few of us being corrupt when you can report it and get it taken care of.

Another thing that I would like to mention, to the staff especially,

@Philly
@"Cann!bal"
@"GrƷƷd"
@Justice
@Leader
@Michael
@Narc
@"м¢ℓσνιη"

Let's be honest, you should just close sign up's for FK. 95% of all new members as of March 1st is a Multi accounter.

That would be absolutely absurd. We take care of so many multi accounts each day, just check the /bans.php page.

In my opinion, even though the forum team doesn't give a shit about members opinions, is that there should be another reset.

We don't give a shit about members opinions? If we didn't then the we would've junked this thread and banned you both. We're not the Government. We, and I, try so damn hard to make this place a better place. I try to think of new plugins every day to make you guys happy. Don't say we don't give a shit about your opinions, when that is the only thing that matters each and every day. That pissed me off.

The rep system is COMPLETELY horrible.

Award 4 Award, like seriously? Awards are to be earned, not bought or traded.

Not necessarily horrible. I'd like to see it change in amounts. -3/+3 for Onyx, -5/+5 for Power, -7/+7 for Power + would seem better.

As for awards, if you purchase them you can do whatever the hell you want with them. We just grant them.

Allow members to make public polls about what they want added to ForumKorner. This would make FK less dry.

What is this section for?

Again, the forum team might not give a shit about my opinions, but whatever.

No, we do.
 

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Michael said:
Let me start off by saying that Gucci's thread was aimed at us being abusive with our powers. I allowed his thread to be up because he had a right to express his views. Everyone was posting complete nonsense, so instead I moved it to the Spamming & Trolling section so I wouldn't have to warn or ban anyone. He then continued to disrespect me, the team, and Philly in a multitude of ways. That's what got him banned, not for posting a thread with his opinion about us. Anyone can do that. As for us getting more strict, I don't believe that's happening. We're enforcing the rules that we're told. We don't create any rules at all, it is solely up to Philly on why we should ban someone, warn someone, move a thread, remove a post, etc.

As for the "the staff is getting worse as time goes on." part, I cannot agree or disagree. I have only been here for 1 year and I haven't seen any corrupt staff members at all. When I joined it was the exact same Staff team which included Jason & Poe. Cann!bal was then added, then I was added, and Leader. I haven't experienced any of us being corrupt in any way possible. That would get us demoted INSTANTLY.


You have no idea how hard we are all working to keep FK in good standing behind the scenes. We try so hard and dedicate endless hours and sometimes no sleep at all to help members recover their accounts, take care of reports, think of new things we can implement, testing things, taking care of hundreds of reports daily, etc.


I agree. I don't really mind about upgrades, but once again it isn't our decision.


We don't receive every vouch copy for every eBook. We can only ask for vouch copies and receiving one and reviewing it would make the sales increase. Anyone is able to receive a vouch copy, just don't ask for one.



This could all be reversed if post count was not added in those forums, then we wouldn't have a problem. Sadly that won't happen. We are to moderate all forums, but Staff are not allowed into every group subforum. That is only for Philly! Post boosting will never be allowed in any forum on FK. (Besides S&T, since it doesn't count). We recently had to junk 3 threads containing 1,000 posts of complete bullshit. The user was spamming to win the FK Posting Contest.


A few of us are trying to get this removed.



That wouldn't work out. Philly chooses the Staff, and probably with some help from his team. By power abuse, do you mean take care of reports? If someone reports you for something, and we have to warn you, then don't complain and whine because you broke rules. All of us do our job well and help as many people as we can. It pisses me off that you say RARELY any Staff do their job. If you could do what we do for one day you'd understand how much we do. Don't assume by what you see.



We have SO many new plugins lined up, don't think we're not going to make some drastic changes and implement some new shit. The reason they get closed is because they've been suggested before and suggesting it a second time would result in closure.
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No, you have an opinion. Just like I do. You won't be banned, this won't be deleted or moved. Why are you acting like we can't take criticism? If there's something we do that you don't like, tell us.


Name them then? Speak to Philly? Don't whine on a thread about a select few of us being corrupt when you can report it and get it taken care of.


That would be absolutely absurd. We take care of so many multi accounts each day, just check the /bans.php page.


We don't give a shit about members opinions? If we didn't then the we would've junked this thread and banned you both. We're not the Government. We, and I, try so damn hard to make this place a better place. I try to think of new plugins every day to make you guys happy. Don't say we don't give a shit about your opinions, when that is the only thing that matters each and every day. That pissed me off.


Not necessarily horrible. I'd like to see it change in amounts. -3/+3 for Onyx, -5/+5 for Power, -7/+7 for Power + would seem better.

As for awards, if you purchase them you can do whatever the hell you want with them. We just grant them.


What is this section for?


No, we do.
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Michael you just won the trophy for the longest thread response ever made!
 

Acrocide

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Leader said:
1. Agreed.
2. That's not true. The only members you can truly trust, if at all, are the staff team.
3. You haven't seen the post boosting we have seen. @Mac literally made a second account and then it would go like this:
Mac: ds;ghsdfgjhfdslkgjhdz
2nd Account: lgfjdshfglksdfjhgklsdaj
Mac: ;lgjhflkdjgshsdfl
2nd Account: lkfhsadlko9a8htr89ghd
and so on.
4. Agreed.
5. No. If that were true, @Shift would become staff in a heartbeat.
6. Staff's opinion on knew pulgins should be held higher than that of a regular member's. However, staff normally doesn't even have a say in plugins implemented. It's all @"Philly"'s opinion that matters on whether or not it is implemented.
7. All staff view the pardon. If they don't vote, it's always a no. You can ask any staff member and they will tell you the same.

2. Woah, woah, woah. This is 100% not true. Personally I would consider the current staff trustworthy, but back in 2011 when I joined I was scammed by staff user @"Uzi". This just proves that not all staff are trustworthy. You need to understand that it is based on the person not the position. @"Leader"
 

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Acrocide said:
2. Woah, woah, woah. This is 100% not true. Personally I would consider the current staff trustworthy, but back in 2011 when I joined I was scammed by staff user @"Uzi". This just proves that not all staff are trustworthy. You need to understand that it is based on the person not the position. @"Leader"

I've already mentioned that I am talking about the current team. I would trust every member on this team with almost anything, some of them with my life. Previous staff members may have scammed.
 

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i agree with all of this and what kind of smileys are these please remove them -___________-
 

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Glad to see all of you getting involved in this, even though most of it was hate towards staff. Please realize that is not what this is about. It's about helping fix FK. Staff does have a shitload of problems they need fixed and I will elaborate for anyone that asks, but they do what they are told. Sure some of it is unjust, but shit happens.
 

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Closing this absolutely outrageous thread now. ROFL, appreciated the laugh though thanks.
 

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Philly said:
Closing this absolutely outrageous thread now. ROFL, appreciated the laugh though thanks.
Looks like FK wants me to be the next staff, you know what to do Philly.

S/o
@leader for the intonation

jk plz don't ban for expressing my opinion...
 
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