The End is near. Revelation, Syria & Anti-Christ

[Michael]

To start this thread, I'll lay a little background information. As most of you will know, Syria is currently in a bit of a situation with the US threatening to attack them.

'United States president Barack Obama has won the backing of key figures in Congress for a "limited" strike against Syrian president Bashar al-Assad for his suspected use of chemical weapons against civilians.'
Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-04/obama-wins-key-backing-for-military-action-in-syria/4933124

And now a quick Bible verse:

'Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city,
And it will be a ruinous heap.'
- Isaiah 17:1

If you don't know where Damascus is, here you go

Map:

Spoiler

Coincidence? Maybe... But read on.

'And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.'
- Revelation 13:2

Obviously from this verse, you can deduce that the bear is Russia, and the dragon must be China. Russia has recently claimed that ANY attack on Syria will be treated as an attack on Russia itself, and WILL return fire.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/31/syria-un-weapons-inspectors-leave

It also so happens that Iran's (Previously named 'Persia') national animal is actually the Lion and the Leopard. And Iran has now claimed if the US attacks Syria, they will immediately attack Israel.

'And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.'
- Daniel 9:27

'They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance'
- Psalm 83:4

After reading all this, what is there to deduce? That Damascus will be destroyed, and Israel will ultimately be destroyed too. Which signifies the coming of the end times.

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'And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.'
- Revelation 13:1-18

The Anti-Christ. Predicted in the Bible to be the 'deciever' in the end times. (For more verses regarding this, visit: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Antichrist/


'The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.'
- Revelation 17:12-14

"The Beast can be considered to be the "Rebuilt Roman Empire" itself, nowadays known as the New World Order, where the money is made and managed in England, religion in Rome and from USA where the world police state is located, as well as the entertainment industry to keep the masses programmed with TV and movies."

You can just see the coming of a New World Order by simply paying attention to current day news. Governments are increasing their control over the people continuously, with increased survillance, laws and even things such as the RFID chip (will come to this later). All it would take would be a catastrophic event such as a war for the governments to say 'Let us stop this war and come together under one global leader'. It's only a matter of time.

'This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.'
- Revelations 13:18

It says that the 'beast', or the Anti-Christ, will be able to be worked out merely based on numerical calculations.

If we look at the name of Obama:
Barack Hussein Obama's name adds up to 666 by applying the decimal numerological table of letters for the English alphabet to the etymology (original meaning) of his name: Barack means "Blessed", Hussein means "Handsome", and Obama means "Leaning". B=2 L=30 E=5 S=100 S=100 E=5 D=4 (totals 246); H=8 A=1 N=50 D=4 S=100 O=60 M=40 E=5 (totals 268); L=30 E=5 A=1 N=50 I=9 N=50 G=7 (totals 152) So 246+268+152 = 666

Coincidence? Very possible. But let's look at what else Obama has brought in.

'And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads'
- Revelations 13:16-18.

http://www.infowars.com/man-has-chip-implanted-in-hand-that-stores-info-for-smartphone/

Though this hasn't been passed AS OF YET, it exists. And that is a sign that in the future, things like this will exist. The chip will contain all bank details, and mediums such as money and cards will become non-existant, meaning it would be required for buying and selling.

'And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.'
- Revelation 13:5

Forty-two months calculates to 3 1/2 years exactly. Obama was re-elected 6 months ago, meaning he has 3 1/2 years left exactly.

42 months from now equals to about 2016.

'Seventy 'sevens' are decreed
For your people and your holy city
To finish transgression,
To put an end to sin,
To atone for wickedness,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy
And to anoint the most holy'
- Daniel 9:23, 24

The 70 “sevens” prophecy in Daniel 9:24 has two fulfillments. First, the 70 “sevens” are 70 sabbatical cycles – 490 years, pointing to the first coming of Jesus as our Savior from sin.

Second, the 70 “sevens” are 70 Jubilee cycles – 3,431 years, pointing to the second coming of Jesus when His people will be permanently freed from sin.

The 70 “sevens” bring us to the very year when the world will end. This Bible prophecy tells us the exact year of the end of the world so we can prepare and be ready."

Source: http://www.markbeast.com/endworld/prophecy-end-world.htm

If calculated, the year is worked out to be 2016.


I AM READY FOR YOU CANN!BAL heheeh

 

[pink2]

I believe in the bible, but do not believe in this in any way, shape, or form. I believe this will all be settled somehow, and something. Even if it does not get settled, it may result in World War 3, which won't be the end of time; this is just a coincidence.

 

[Mike]

Holy shit you put so much effort into this thread I can never tell if your kidding about these or not.

 

[Nevermind]

I'm going to let Cann!bal handle this one.

 

[Michael]

I'm going to let Cann!bal handle this one.

I'm literally waiting for his long as reply. It's going to be a tough battle.

 

[Nevermind]

I'm literally waiting for his long as reply. It's going to be a tough battle.

I would reply, and somehow have a long debate with you, but I'm honestly just too lazy. You prepared yourself well.

 

[pink2]

I have an opinion for you :

Say, the bibile isn't real, and everything in it is just a bunch of baloney; and there was no God.
Or say; the bible isn't even real and God never existed; then where would your point be?

Also - You can't judge everything just based on the bible, you have to realize that not everything in the bible is true; but just mere stories that teach us more and more about Jesus and God. Most are real, and some are a phony. The Bible perhaps maybe isn't real and this is all just a huge coincidence; or maybe the "Authorities" and/or "Leaders" are setting this up in such a way to fit in perfectly with the events of the bible; just to make people have a belief of the Bible, and make them merely scared or something of the sort. Basically; you can't judge real life events just by a book that is possibly not even true, and it could just be a lie. The government could have wrote and scripted the Bible and then they planned these real life events; making the Bible seem real, and this creates more believers of the Christian/Catholic religion(s).

Conclusion :

Don't just judge things by a book when they are possibly not the truth.

 

[Michael]

I have an opinion for you :

Say, the bibile isn't real, and everything in it is just a bunch of baloney; and there was no God.
Or say; the bible isn't even real and God never existed; then where would your point be?

Also - You can't judge everything just based on the bible, you have to realize that not everything in the bible is true; but just mere stories that teach us more and more about Jesus and God. Most are real, and some are a phony. The Bible perhaps maybe isn't real and this is all just a huge coincidence; or maybe the "Authorities" and/or "Leaders" are setting this up in such a way to fit in perfectly with the events of the bible; just to make people have a belief of the Bible, and make them merely scared or something of the sort. Basically; you can't judge real life events just by a book that is possibly not even true, and it could just be a lie. The government could have wrote and scripted the Bible and then they planned these real life events; making the Bible seem real, and this creates more believers of the Christian/Catholic religion(s).

Conclusion :

Don't just judge things by a book when they are possibly not the truth.

The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.

For example, Daniel the prophet predicted in about 538 BC (Daniel 9:24-27) that Christ would come as Israel's promised Savior and Prince 483 years after the Persian emperor would give the Jews authority to rebuild Jerusalem, which was then in ruins. This was clearly and definitely fulfilled, hundreds of years later.

There are extensive prophecies dealing with individual nations and cities and with the course of history in general, all of which have been literally fulfilled. More than 300 prophecies were fulfilled by Christ Himself at His first coming. Other prophecies deal with the spread of Christianity, as well as various false religions, and many other subjects.

Another striking evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many of the principles of modern science were recorded as facts of nature in the Bible long before scientist confirmed them experimentally. A sampling of these would include:

• Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)
• Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)
• Law of conservation of mass and energy (II Peter 3:7)
• Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)
• Gravitational field (Job 26:7)
• And many others

The remarkable structure of the Bible should also be stressed. Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

The individual writers, at the time of writing, had no idea that their message was eventually to be incorporated into such a Book, but each nevertheless fits perfectly into place and serves its own unique purpose as a component of the whole. Anyone who diligently studies the Bible will continually find remarkable structural and mathematical patterns woven throughout its fabric, with an intricacy and symmetry incapable of explanation by chance or collusion.

The one consistent theme of the Bible, developing in grandeur from Genesis to Revelation, is God's great work in the creation and redemption of all things, through His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Pichu]

To be honest I think the world has a long time before its the end of it,thought I see your points proven in the thread and they are quite convincing.

 

[Cann!bal]

Firstly, we must factor in thousands upon thousands of past apocalypse predictions which failed to meet their thesis. In analysis, one can observe that the past apocalyptic declarations withheld and consisted of essentially the equivalent amount of evidence and identical type of evidence which Micheal conveyed. They consisted of broad and indirect prophecies, unreliable religious scripture, numerical coincidences, prophecies that are bound to eventually happen, and mere coincidences. It is incredibly foolish to reach the settlement that this evidence is reliable and thorough enough to conclude that the apocalypse is nearing, because Micheal's aforementioned evidence is equatable in consistency of validity and invalidity of that of a conspiracy theory. There is nothing significant to distinguish this apocalyptic conspiracy theory from any other failed apocalyptic prediction and theory.

Secondly, we must factor in the trustworthiness and reliability of Micheal's evidence that end is nearing. In synopsis of his evidence, you can see there is no validity in his argument at all for all his evidence is coincidences and two-millennium-old scripture written by primitive men. Supplying coincidences as evidence is never valid; a lot of coincidences means nothing, just examine the coincidences between John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln:

"Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.

Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.

Both were shot in the head.

Lincoln's secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre.
Kennedy's secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.

Both were succeeded by Southerners.

Both successors were named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.

Both names are comprised of fifteen letters

Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials."

These coincidences demonstrate nothing; these coincidences are not some conveniently plotted clues hinting a new world order or clandestine league of men who secretly control everything. Coincidences are bound to happen, even in the mass amounts; I would actually predict there be an abnormal amount of coincidences in the bible due to the scripture making such broad, boundward, and indirect prophecies. You can with ease logically debunk the bible by simply observing the adversities of the bible and examining all the folklore, illogic, irrationality, barbarism, primitive intolerance and thinking, and ill reason in the bible. Micheal's evidence does not meet the standards to be proclaimed as valid, reasonable, reliable nor trustworthy.

Thirdly, we must realize that there is nothing valid to indicate the tribulation era is nearing. The same prediction has been continuously been made for centuries by theologians and religious scholars, yet no prevail. I wonder why.

 

[old]

Holy shit man, there are way too many coincidences.

 

[Michael]

Firstly, we must factor in thousands upon thousands of past apocalypse predictions which failed to meet their thesis. In analysis, one can observe that the past apocalyptic declarations withheld and consisted of essentially the equivalent amount of evidence and identical type of evidence which Micheal conveyed. They consisted of broad and indirect prophecies, unreliable religious scripture, numerical coincidences, prophecies that are bound to eventually happen, and mere coincidences. It is incredibly foolish to reach the settlement that this evidence is reliable and thorough enough to conclude that the apocalypse is nearing, because Micheal's aforementioned evidence is equatable in consistency of validity and invalidity of that of a conspiracy theory. There is nothing significant to distinguish this apocalyptic conspiracy theory from any other failed apocalyptic prediction and theory.

Secondly, we must factor in the trustworthiness and reliability of Micheal's evidence that end is nearing. In synopsis of his evidence, you can see there is no validity in his argument at all for all his evidence is coincidences and two-millennium-old scripture written by primitive men. Supplying coincidences as evidence is never valid; a lot of coincidences means nothing, just examine the coincidences between John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln:

"Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.

Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.

Both were shot in the head.

Lincoln's secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre.
Kennedy's secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.

Both were succeeded by Southerners.

Both successors were named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.

Both names are comprised of fifteen letters

Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials."

These coincidences demonstrate nothing; these coincidences are not some conveniently plotted clues hinting a new world order or clandestine league of men who secretly control everything. Coincidences are bound to happen, even in the mass amounts; I would actually predict there be an abnormal amount of coincidences in the bible due to the scripture making such broad, boundward, and indirect prophecies. You can with ease logically debunk the bible by simply observing the adversities of the bible and examining all the folklore, illogic, irrationality, barbarism, primitive intolerance and thinking, and ill reason in the bible. Micheal's evidence does not meet the standards to be proclaimed as valid, reasonable, reliable nor trustworthy.

Thirdly, we must realize that there is nothing valid to indicate the tribulation era is nearing. The same prediction has been continuously been made for centuries by theologians and religious scholars, yet no prevail. I wonder why.

Yes, the Lincoln-Kennedy coincidence is definitely a coincidence, no doubt about that. How can you describe prophecies that are being fulfilled today? How are you able to deny evidence to the fact that bible verses are happening in front of our very eyes? Sure it may just all be one big coincidence but you need to think, "What if it isn't"? What if it is all real, what if there is a God & there is a plan for us, this is where faith comes in. It is better believing there is a god, and dying finding out there isn't then living not believing a God, and finding out there is.

The Lincoln-Kennedy coincidence was surely not a prophecy, no one knew beforehand that the similarities are insanely close. The prophecies in the bible have been told beforehand, and are being fulfilled TODAY! How can you say that it is a coincidence? I don't understand.

Prophecy is one of the more complex “things of the Spirit” that Paul talks about here. Prophecy figures very importantly in the New Testament. Later in 1 Corinthians, Paul says:

"So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues" (1 Corinthians 14:39)

He lists Prophets alongside Apostles, Pastor-Teachers and Evangelists as special gifts that God has given the church to equip the whole church for ministry.

Most of us tend to think of prophecy as predicting the future. However, there is more to it than that. In fact, there are three distinct variations in the gift of prophecy described in the New Testament.

The first sort of manifestation of prophecy is the traditional “foretelling” gift, wherein God reveals the future to the prophet, and the prophet tells others. I will call this predictive prophecy. One person through whom God gave his people the gift of predictive prophecy was Agabus.

In Acts 11:28 we learn that Agabus, through the Spirit of God stood up and predicted a severe famine. Luke notes that the famine did come, during the reign of Roman Emperor Claudius. How did this gift build up the Church? First, Christians were encouraged to set aside gifts for the needy during the coming famine (Acts 11:29).

Second, when the famine came to pass it must have been a faith strengthening experience for believers everywhere – God still really speaks to and through people! And finally, the fact that the famine was predicted by God must have been a source of comfort as believers realized that God not only knew about their situation, but saw it before they did. They must have felt very much in His hands.

Predictive prophecy is the easiest sort of prophecy to distinguish. The formula is very simple and is given as far back as Deuteronomy 18:21-22. If a predictive prophet’s message does not come to pass, then the Lord has not spoken and believers should not listen to him.

On the other hand, scripture teaches that even if a prophet successfully predicts the future, and yet leads people away from the Lord in some manner, that prophet is not from God (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Pauls says something like this Galatians 1:8-9

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.'

The Old Testament was written between approximately 1450 BC and 430 BC. During that time, many predictions of the future were recorded in the Bible by God’s prophets. Of the events that were to have taken place by now, every one happened just the way they predicted it would. No other “sacred writing” has such perfectly accurate predictions of the future.

Fulfilled Bible Prophecies

1) Israel will prevail over its enemies - In Isaiah 41:12-14, the prophet said God would help Israel during times of conflict with enemies (if the people have faith in God). Isaiah said this during a time when the northern kingdom of Israel had already been conquered by the Assyrian Empire.

And the southern kingdom, Judah, was about to be conquered by Babylon. (The Bible explains that Israel and Judah lost their independence because so many of the residents had turned to false religions). But, since 1948 when Israel was re-established, Israel has been attacked by much-larger countries.

2) The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt - In Amos 9:11, 13, the prophet said that God would restore the land of David. (King David ruled Israel from about 1010 BC to about 970 BC). The land of David - Israel - was conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans. The land has been in ruins for much of the past 2000 years. The Jews, who had been scattered throughout the world, began to return in large numbers during the past 100 years.

Since then, they have been rebuilding many of Israel's ancient cities. Amos also said there would be continuous planting and harvesting. During the past 100 years, the Jews have been using advanced farming and irrigation techniques to turn barren land into productive farmland.

3) Isaiah foretold of the worldwide return of Jews to Israel - n Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet Isaiah said that the Jews would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. At that time, the Assyrians had forced many Jews in the northern kingdom of Israel into exile.

Those Jews were taken to other areas in the Middle East. Then, about 1900 years ago, the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem and killed and exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews. Since then, the Jews have been scattered to virtually every country in the world. But, during the past century, millions of Jews have returned to Israel, from the east, the west, the north and the south.

South - Ethiopia, which is south of Israel, also refused to allow its Jews to return to Israel. But, in 1985, Israel struck a deal with Ethiopia's communist government to allow the Jews of Ethiopia to move to Israel. On the weekend of May 25, 1991, 14,500 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel.

East - Many Jews living in the Middle East moved to Israel by the early 1900s.

West - During mid-1900s, hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the West (Europe and the United States) began moving to Israel.

North - The former Soviet Union (Russia) is north of Israel. It refused to allow its Jewish residents to move to Israel. But, after years of pressure from other countries, Russia finally began to allow Jews to return to Israel during the 1980s. So far, hundreds of thousands of Russian Jews have moved to Israel.


Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the north (Russia) and the south (Ethiopia) would have to be persuaded to give up their Jews. Many countries pressured Russia for years before it began to allow its Jews to leave. And Ethiopia had to be paid a ransom to allow its Jews to leave.

Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the Jews would return "from the ends of the earth," and Isaiah said that many centuries before the Jews had been scattered to the ends of the earth. During the past 100 years, Jews living as far east as China, as far west as the West Coast of the United States, as far north as Scandinavia, and as far south as South Africa, have moved to Israel.

"Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth."
- Isaiah 43:5-6

Now, before you go on to say these may all just be a big bunch of coincidences remember that these were fulfilled in the late 1900s, and was written in about 750BC. Prophecies are being fulfilled a lot recently. I will now tell you a few prophecies that need to be fulfilled before Jesus returns, so when you are seeing these with your very eyes do not tell me they are coincidences.

1) The human race would have the ability to exterminate itself - In Matthew 24:22, describing world conditions prior to his second coming, Jesus sad that "If that time of trouble were not cut short, no living thing could survive; but for the sake of God's chosen it will be cut short"

The main message that Jesus Christ brought was of the coming Kingdom of God. This is described as "the gospel" (Mark 1:14)

Gospel means "good news." While some of the prophecies concerning events prior to the establishment of the Kingdom can seem negative, we should always keep in mind that the central focus of Bible prophecy is the good news (gospel) of the coming Kingdom of God.
Matthew 24:22 shows us that if Jesus Christ does not intervene in world affairs, the human race will be faced with extinction.

It's crucial to note that humanity has had the capability for self-annihilation for only a little more than 50 years, since both the United States and the Soviet Union developed and stockpiled hydrogen bombs and the world had to learn to live with "mutually assured destruction."

At that time there were only three nuclear powers (Britain being the other). By the middle of the 1960s France and China had joined the nuclear club. Today at least eight nations have nuclear warheads and the number looks set to increase with a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

Of course, the more nuclear powers we have in the world, the more likely it is that someone will use this deadly force for evil.

Although international attention has been focused on the nuclear programs of North Korea and Iran during the last few years, little attention has been given to the possibility of some or all of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal falling into the hands of radical Islamists.

During the ongoing crisis in Pakistan, the Taliban and al-Qaeda and their sympathizers have steadily gained more power, territory and influence, making nuclear terrorism more likely.

2) A Jewish homeland had to be reestablished in the Middle East - Jesus showed that Jerusalem would be the central focus of the political and military upheavals that would immediately precede his return: "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled"


Anyone living a century ago would have found these words nearly impossible to comprehend. Jerusalem in ancient times had been fought over countless times, but for four centuries from 1517 the city had been at peace within the boundaries of the Ottoman Empire.


The Old Testament prophet Zechariah was used by God to reveal a great deal about end-time events and the second coming of the Messiah. Zechariah lived and prophesied more than 500 years before Christ's first coming, yet his prophetic book tells us a great deal about our world of today.

In Zechariah 12:2-3, God says: "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah [the Jews inhabiting the land of Israel] and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. In verse 9 he adds, "It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."

Reading these verses, it is possible to think that they apply to ancient events, as Jerusalem has been fought over repeatedly down through the ages. However, chapter 14 makes clear that this is talking about future, not past, events. The time setting is immediately before Jesus Christ's return.


"Behold, the day of the Lord is coming. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity. Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south"
- (Zechariah 14:1-4)


Clearly the last few lines of this prophecy remain to be fulfilled. One hundred years ago such developments were hard to imagine for the simple reason that no independent Jewish political entity existed in the Middle East. After rebelling against the Romans in A.D. 66 and again in 132, Judea was crushed and most of the remaining Jews were dispersed throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. No Jewish homeland existed again until 1948 when the modern nation of Israel was established.

Let's move on to prophecies, shall we? Considering that everything that happens from the bible is coincidental. As I stated earlier above, once you start to see these things happen then you will know Christ's return is imminent.

 

[Sector]

Well, it's a good thing that I'm a Buddhist.

 

[Majestic]

I enjoyed reading your post Michael, it seems very convincing.

I just don't think the year will be 2016 the bible has no specific date, although your calculations might be accurate. Who knows.

 

[Michael]

I enjoyed reading your post Michael, it seems very convincing.

I just don't think the year will be 2016 the bible has no specific date, although your calculations might be accurate. Who knows.

Only time will tell my friend, and one of us is right so yeah.

 

[Solar]

All of this information is overwhelming to take in at once. I have always been one to enjoy reading theories of this quota. I'm about to grab my popcorn and watch Michael and Cann!bal have their debate.

 

[Cann!bal]

For future references, please, if you're going to use these types of sites again for sources:

http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/seven-prophecies-must-be-fulfilled-jesus-christs-return/

http://www.therefinersfire.org/recent_prophecy.html

Please credit them in quotations, instead of plagiarizing and taking credit for their work.

Yes, the Lincoln-Kennedy coincidence is definitely a coincidence, no doubt about that. How can you describe prophecies that are being fulfilled today? How are you able to deny evidence to the fact that bible verses are happening in front of our very eyes? Sure it may just all be one big coincidence but you need to think, "What if it isn't"? What if it is all real, what if there is a God & there is a plan for us, this is where faith comes in. It is better believing there is a god, and dying finding out there isn't then living not believing a God, and finding out there is.

I am not denying that some of the prophecies did happen. I am denying that they are prophecies for there is no valid logic to dictate them as so.

I've told you before to stop using Pascal's wager. Pascal's wager is a logically flawed mechanism used to persuade others to theism. It's a false dichotomy. It ignores all other religions. It ignores other Heavens and Hells, and it puts forth the claim that believing and obeying in a God costs you nothing which is certainly not true because this would be your only life, it's not a no loss situation. Just because you believe in one particular God doesn't mean you have avoided the Hell of another one. It also makes the presumption that this God is idiotic enough to buy into this covering-my-ass conclusion.

Plus, I rather not base my one life off an illogical hypothetical.

The Lincoln-Kennedy coincidence was surely not a prophecy, no one knew beforehand that the similarities are insanely close. The prophecies in the bible have been told beforehand, and are being fulfilled TODAY! How can you say that it is a coincidence? I don't understand.

I didn't state it was. The bible dictates that they were told beforehand, but there's certainly no proof to conclude they were all truly told beforehand of the prophecy and simply weren't implemented. The bible is the bible's own proof.

Let's move on to prophecies, shall we? Considering that everything that happens from the bible is coincidental. As I stated earlier above, once you start to see these things happen then you will know Christ's return is imminent.

Essentially every single prophecy you put forth was either broad, boundward or indirect.

"Israel will prevail over its enemies"
"The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt"
"The human race would have the ability to exterminate itself"
"A Jewish homeland had to be reestablished in the Middle East"

These prophecies are so silly; they fall directly under my thesis that they would be broad and boundward. You're also ignoring all unfulfilled prophecies. Plus, you're ignoring a lot of bias and factors of such which lead to these prophecies being fulfilled. Since these were prophecies of the bible, people congregated in attempt to fulfill them. If these prophecies weren't known, the fulfillment wouldn't have been a priority, hence the prophecy wouldn't have been fulfilled.

 

[Michael]

For future references, please, if you're going to use these types of sites again for sources:

http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/seven-prophecies-must-be-fulfilled-jesus-christs-return/

http://www.therefinersfire.org/recent_prophecy.html

Please credit them in quotations, instead of plagiarizing and taking credit for their work.


I am not denying that some of the prophecies did happen. I am denying that they are prophecies for there is no valid logic to dictate them as so.

I've told you before to stop using Pascal's wager. Pascal's wager is a logically flawed mechanism used to persuade others to theism. It's a false dichotomy. It ignores all other religions. It ignores other Heavens and Hells, and it puts forth the claim that believing and obeying in a God costs you nothing which is certainly not true because this would be your only life, it's not a no loss situation. Just because you believe in one particular God doesn't mean you have avoided the Hell of another one. It also makes the presumption that this God is idiotic enough to buy into this covering-my-ass conclusion.

Plus, I rather not base my one life off an illogical hypothetical.


I didn't state it was. The bible dictates that they were told beforehand, but there's certainly no proof to conclude they were all truly told beforehand of the prophecy and simply weren't implemented. The bible is the bible's own proof.


Essentially every single prophecy you put forth was either broad, boundward or indirect.

"Israel will prevail over its enemies"
"The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt"
"The human race would have the ability to exterminate itself"
"A Jewish homeland had to be reestablished in the Middle East"

These prophecies are so silly; they fall directly under my thesis that they would be broad and boundward. You're also ignoring all unfulfilled prophecies. Plus, you're ignoring a lot of bias and factors of such which lead to these prophecies being fulfilled. Since these were prophecies of the bible, people congregated in attempt to fulfill them. If these prophecies weren't known, the fulfillment wouldn't have been a priority, hence the prophecy wouldn't have been fulfilled.

Apologies, was to in to the moment for sourcing, will use for future reference. I have realized that you are speaking of unfulfilled prophecies. Explain to me factors which lead to them being fulfilled. Pascals wager is a valid & invalid argument.

I want to know why you stated this:

I didn't state it was. The bible dictates that they were told beforehand, but there's certainly no proof to conclude they were all truly told beforehand of the prophecy and simply weren't implemented. The bible is the bible's own proof.

How does one implement something into the bible? When it comes to the authorship of the Bible, of course men were involved. Christians would point this out first. If Paul wrote letters to early churches that are includen in the Scriptures, David wrote many of the psalms. Moses wrote the Pentateuch, or the Torah. 40 different people were involved.

I posted the prophecies stated above for the sole purpose of showing you that prophecies have been fulfilled. The fulfilment could take 1, 2, 3 thousand years but it will be fulfilled. I told you before about the ones that still need to take place. I want you to watch out for them because it will be in the near future.

I want to move off of prophecies and tell you this. Our Earth, our size is perfect, the right distance to the sun, if we were just a tad bit smaller life wouldn't be able exist. Our moon is the perfect distance, why is this? Did the big bang create Earth to be in the only position in which it can sustain life?

I want to talk about the end & revelations, Syria & the Anti-Christ as what this topic is about. Why is all this drama happening in Syria, when it was told beforehand that it would happen?

 

[Summon]

You had some good points but using math to prove that Obama is the anti-Christ is pushing it. Too many coincidences have happened to convince me that.

 

[Michael]

You had some good points but using math to prove that Obama is the anti-Christ is pushing it. Too many coincidences have happened to convince me that.

Why is it a bad thing though? During the Great Tribulation 666 and his FALSE PROPHET will be responsible for the death of 2/3 (Which is exactly 66.6 %) of the Jews in the world and the remaining 1/3 will all be saved (Read Zechariah 13:8,9 & Romans 11:25-32).

Now I am not sure if he is 100% the anti-christ but I have a feeling he is. The thing that makes me feel wrong is that the Anti-Christ must:

• The antichrist must be from the revived Roman Empire.
• The antichrist must deceive the jews into believing he is their messiah. "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:7)
• The antichrist will not get married. "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all." (Daniel 11:37)
• The antichrist will not regard any god, but will worship the 'god of forces'. "But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour." (Daniel 11:38)
• The antichrist must carry the title, "Prince". "... And the people of the other prince who will come ..." (Daniel 9:26)

So I was thinking Prince George of Cambridge? You may think I'm retarded but I watched a video regarding this and it was very interesting, as Prince George is not Williams' baby.

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX_9sOEenFs[/video]