Uneducated Voters

[Adam]

Alright, and now let's make that more realistic. This guy wanted to make a statement and kill multiple people. So instead of a knife, he obtained a gun illegally. And yeah, back to where we were before. Also, many times in a situation like you said people don't act heroic. Just the cold hard truth of the matter.

Edit: The thing is, most gun related crimes that happen involve illegally obtained guns. If a law was passed to ban guns, this would still happen. Nothing would change other than the fact law abiding citizens couldn't own a gun. Again, this is the real world. You can't put ideas out there that would only work if everyone was a law abiding citizen.

Going back to the movie theater shooting, he legally obtained an assault rifle, a shotgun, pistols, and enough ammo to kill 10x more people.

Virginia Tech shooting:
He legally obtained a pistol and enough ammo to kill 32 people and himself.

And you don't think he would of been able to get those guns if there want an anti-gun law? Okay, lol. Guess what? Killing is again the law, look what they did. Logic.

If you restrict access to tools that allow them to commit these crimes, they are less likely to take the extra steps to get to the end result.

 

[Deathcrow]

Again, sounds good on paper. But doesn't happen in real life. Just makes it easier for them to feel more safe and more invincible when committing their crimes.

 

[Adam]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...t-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

The states with the most gun deaths per 100,000 deaths have the least strict gun laws. Arizona, which has the least gun restrictions out of every state in the union, has 5x the amount of gun deaths compared to Hawaii which has the 47th most strict gun laws.

 

[Deathcrow]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...t-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

The states with the most gun deaths per 100,000 deaths have the least strict gun laws. Arizona, which has the least gun restrictions out of every state in the union, has 5x the amount of gun deaths compared to Hawaii which has the 47th most strict gun laws.

This came from your link:
"In fact, among the top 20 states with the strictest gun laws, as rated by the Legal Community Against Violence, seven have death rates from guns that are higher than the national average."

 

[Adam]

Now lets look at this, out of the top 11 states, deaths from guns per 100,000, 6 of them are in the top 10 for least restrictive gun laws. That's on the extreme side. Now if we go to the bottom 11 on the amount of deaths per 100,000 , 10 out of 11 of them are ranked 36+ on the most restrictive gun laws. The only other one is ranked 26th.

 

[Deathcrow]

"'who's most likely to disarm?' The most law-abiding citizens. If you disarm the most law-abiding citizens, you see increases in violence relative to the dropping gun ownership"

 

[Adam]

"'who's most likely to disarm?' The most law-abiding citizens. If you disarm the most law-abiding citizens, you see increases in violence relative to the dropping gun ownership"

Well you see, California has the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. No one has the need to disarm because no one is allowed a gun. It is ranked 40th in gun deaths. For the amount of people in the state, this is an amazing number.

 

[Deathcrow]

"'who's most likely to disarm?' The most law-abiding citizens. If you disarm the most law-abiding citizens, you see increases in violence relative to the dropping gun ownership"

Well you see, California has the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. No one has the need to disarm because no one is allowed a gun. It is ranked 40th in gun deaths. For the amount of people in the state, this is an amazing number.

More variables than just gun laws:

Almost all of the nation's wealthiest twenty states, which included northern mid-western and western states such as Minnesota and California, had crime rates below the national average. In addition to having the country's lowest crime rates, New England states also had the country's highest median household income, while the Southern states have the lowest.

This contrasts starkly to some of the nation's poorer states such as Florida or Louisiana. Louisiana had a crime rate 27% and a homicide rate 130.9% above the national average and ranked as the nation's fourth poorest state with a median household income 20% below the national median. While poorer states generally have higher crime rates, several states who fell below the national median for household income such as Maine and Kentucky also had crime rates below the national average, while some wealthier states such as Maryland had crime rates above the national average.

 

[Adam]

To quote our President(Who I hope is elected again) "...they cling to guns or religion...". He is referring to the poorest states in the nation(The one with the highest crime rate and lowest gun restrictions).

 

[Amped-]

And if you take away gun rights from the states that have the highest crime rate for guns, what is going to stop the criminals from using substitutes?

You can say you want to take guns away all you want but you can't deny the hard facts that no matter what, guns will stay. Even if they are illegal, there's always a black market. Especially in the low end states where most of the crimes happen.

So all-in-all, they will still shoot and kill no matter what.

 

[Adam]

And if you take away gun rights from the states that have the highest crime rate for guns, what is going to stop the criminals from using substitutes?

You can say you want to take guns away all you want but you can't deny the hard facts that no matter what, guns will stay. Even if they are illegal, there's always a black market. Especially in the low end states where most of the crimes happen.

So all-in-all, they will still shoot and kill no matter what.

As long as they don't come to California, let them have their guns and religion. The more they kill each other, the less people there are to vote for Romney

 

[Adam]

http://www.therecord.com/news/world/article/808462--father-fatally-shoots-son-in-home-intrusion

 

[Deathcrow]

http://www.therecord.com/news/world/article/808462--father-fatally-shoots-son-in-home-intrusion

I saw that on the news, it is sad. That kid definitely should of been in bed instead of being outside in all black with a ski mask on.

 

[Adam]

http://www.therecord.com/news/world/article/808462--father-fatally-shoots-son-in-home-intrusion

I saw that on the news, it is sad. That kid definitely should of been in bed instead of being outside in all black with a ski mask on.

If his dad didn't own a gun, he wouldn't of died.

 

[Deathcrow]

http://www.therecord.com/news/world/article/808462--father-fatally-shoots-son-in-home-intrusion

I saw that on the news, it is sad. That kid definitely should of been in bed instead of being outside in all black with a ski mask on.

If his dad didn't own a gun, he wouldn't of died.

What makes you so sure? The only thing definite is that if he wasn't out there in all black with a ski mask on he wouldn't of died that night because of someone thinking he was an intruder about to attack them. That is the only thing you can say is 100%. You can not say that he wouldn't of died that night if the only variable that changed was his dad not owning a gun.

 

[Adam]

I saw that on the news, it is sad. That kid definitely should of been in bed instead of being outside in all black with a ski mask on.

If his dad didn't own a gun, he wouldn't of died.

What makes you so sure? The only thing definite is that if he wasn't out there in all black with a ski mask on he wouldn't of died that night because of someone thinking he was an intruder about to attack them. That is the only thing you can say is 100%. You can not say that he wouldn't of died that night if the only variable that changed was his dad not owning a gun.

I can guarantee he wouldn't of been killed by a gunshot.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/09/us/startled-father-fatally-shoots-his-daughter.html

 

[Deathcrow]

If his dad didn't own a gun, he wouldn't of died.

What makes you so sure? The only thing definite is that if he wasn't out there in all black with a ski mask on he wouldn't of died that night because of someone thinking he was an intruder about to attack them. That is the only thing you can say is 100%. You can not say that he wouldn't of died that night if the only variable that changed was his dad not owning a gun.

I can guarantee he wouldn't of been killed by a gunshot.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/09/us/startled-father-fatally-shoots-his-daughter.html

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A gunshot that was fired by his Dad.

 

[Adam]

What makes you so sure? The only thing definite is that if he wasn't out there in all black with a ski mask on he wouldn't of died that night because of someone thinking he was an intruder about to attack them. That is the only thing you can say is 100%. You can not say that he wouldn't of died that night if the only variable that changed was his dad not owning a gun.

I can guarantee he wouldn't of been killed by a gunshot.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/09/us/startled-father-fatally-shoots-his-daughter.html

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A gunshot that was fired by his Dad.

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Yes, but if no one in that neighborhood had a gun he wouldn't have been killed by a gunshot. He should of called the police and had them handle the situation.

What's your response to the second link?

 

[Deathcrow]

I can guarantee he wouldn't of been killed by a gunshot.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/09/us/startled-father-fatally-shoots-his-daughter.html

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A gunshot that was fired by his Dad.

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Yes, but if no one in that neighborhood had a gun he wouldn't have been killed by a gunshot. He should of called the police and had them handle the situation.

What's your response to the second link?

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Again, very sad. What would you say if he was killed by a police officer, a knife, some other weapon. In the case of the second link which is an absolutely horrible story. Very unfortunate for the family. What if the father had grabbed a knife out of the kitchen and when she jumped out he stabbed her in the neck. Same outcome, different weapon.

Edit: With all this time on your hands, you should greet some of the new people to the forum. (Red Carpet section)

 

[Adam]

A gunshot that was fired by his Dad.

Yes, but if no one in that neighborhood had a gun he wouldn't have been killed by a gunshot. He should of called the police and had them handle the situation.

What's your response to the second link?

Again, very sad. What would you say if he was killed by a police officer, a knife, some other weapon. In the case of the second link which is an absolutely horrible story. Very unfortunate for the family. What if the father had grabbed a knife out of the kitchen and when she jumped out he stabbed her in the neck. Same outcome, different weapon.

This is in regards to the first link.
If he had to get close enough to his son to stab him in the neck, he would of seen it was his son.

In regards to the second link.
It takes much longer to pull a knife out of your knife holster, raise your arm, and stab. He would of seen it was his daughter.

I find the red carpet to be spam central. I would rather not post there. I don't think I'm the most welcoming person

BTW: Thanks for referring all these new members to the forum