Deathcrow said:Adam said:Deathcrow said:Alright, and now let's make that more realistic. This guy wanted to make a statement and kill multiple people. So instead of a knife, he obtained a gun illegally. And yeah, back to where we were before. Also, many times in a situation like you said people don't act heroic. Just the cold hard truth of the matter.
Edit: The thing is, most gun related crimes that happen involve illegally obtained guns. If a law was passed to ban guns, this would still happen. Nothing would change other than the fact law abiding citizens couldn't own a gun. Again, this is the real world. You can't put ideas out there that would only work if everyone was a law abiding citizen.
Going back to the movie theater shooting, he legally obtained an assault rifle, a shotgun, pistols, and enough ammo to kill 10x more people.
Virginia Tech shooting:
He legally obtained a pistol and enough ammo to kill 32 people and himself.
And you don't think he would of been able to get those guns if there want an anti-gun law? Okay, lol. Guess what? Killing is again the law, look what they did. Logic.
Adam said:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...t-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html
The states with the most gun deaths per 100,000 deaths have the least strict gun laws. Arizona, which has the least gun restrictions out of every state in the union, has 5x the amount of gun deaths compared to Hawaii which has the 47th most strict gun laws.
Deathcrow said:"'who's most likely to disarm?' The most law-abiding citizens. If you disarm the most law-abiding citizens, you see increases in violence relative to the dropping gun ownership"
Adam said:Deathcrow said:"'who's most likely to disarm?' The most law-abiding citizens. If you disarm the most law-abiding citizens, you see increases in violence relative to the dropping gun ownership"
Well you see, California has the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. No one has the need to disarm because no one is allowed a gun. It is ranked 40th in gun deaths. For the amount of people in the state, this is an amazing number.
TrqlzR said:And if you take away gun rights from the states that have the highest crime rate for guns, what is going to stop the criminals from using substitutes?
You can say you want to take guns away all you want but you can't deny the hard facts that no matter what, guns will stay. Even if they are illegal, there's always a black market. Especially in the low end states where most of the crimes happen.
So all-in-all, they will still shoot and kill no matter what.
Adam said:
Deathcrow said:Adam said:
I saw that on the news, it is sad. That kid definitely should of been in bed instead of being outside in all black with a ski mask on.
Adam said:Deathcrow said:Adam said:
I saw that on the news, it is sad. That kid definitely should of been in bed instead of being outside in all black with a ski mask on.
If his dad didn't own a gun, he wouldn't of died.
Deathcrow said:Adam said:Deathcrow said:I saw that on the news, it is sad. That kid definitely should of been in bed instead of being outside in all black with a ski mask on.
If his dad didn't own a gun, he wouldn't of died.
What makes you so sure? The only thing definite is that if he wasn't out there in all black with a ski mask on he wouldn't of died that night because of someone thinking he was an intruder about to attack them. That is the only thing you can say is 100%. You can not say that he wouldn't of died that night if the only variable that changed was his dad not owning a gun.
Adam said:Deathcrow said:Adam said:If his dad didn't own a gun, he wouldn't of died.
What makes you so sure? The only thing definite is that if he wasn't out there in all black with a ski mask on he wouldn't of died that night because of someone thinking he was an intruder about to attack them. That is the only thing you can say is 100%. You can not say that he wouldn't of died that night if the only variable that changed was his dad not owning a gun.
I can guarantee he wouldn't of been killed by a gunshot.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/09/us/startled-father-fatally-shoots-his-daughter.html
Deathcrow said:Adam said:Deathcrow said:What makes you so sure? The only thing definite is that if he wasn't out there in all black with a ski mask on he wouldn't of died that night because of someone thinking he was an intruder about to attack them. That is the only thing you can say is 100%. You can not say that he wouldn't of died that night if the only variable that changed was his dad not owning a gun.
I can guarantee he wouldn't of been killed by a gunshot.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/09/us/startled-father-fatally-shoots-his-daughter.html
A gunshot that was fired by his Dad.
Adam said:Deathcrow said:Adam said:I can guarantee he wouldn't of been killed by a gunshot.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/09/us/startled-father-fatally-shoots-his-daughter.html
A gunshot that was fired by his Dad.
Yes, but if no one in that neighborhood had a gun he wouldn't have been killed by a gunshot. He should of called the police and had them handle the situation.
What's your response to the second link?
Deathcrow said:Adam said:Deathcrow said:A gunshot that was fired by his Dad.
Yes, but if no one in that neighborhood had a gun he wouldn't have been killed by a gunshot. He should of called the police and had them handle the situation.
What's your response to the second link?
Again, very sad. What would you say if he was killed by a police officer, a knife, some other weapon. In the case of the second link which is an absolutely horrible story. Very unfortunate for the family. What if the father had grabbed a knife out of the kitchen and when she jumped out he stabbed her in the neck. Same outcome, different weapon.
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