Vegetarianism

Comedian said:

I am still going to eat meat, but now I feel bad for the animals. I mean their throats are slit opened alive.

Anyways, @leader would you be a vegetarian if they were killed a less painful way?

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Well, that's a good question. Humans don't have a dietary need to eat meat, so I don't really need to eat meat in the first place. I don't know whether or not I would, because I feel guilty supporting the unneeded killing of sentient creatures.

Leader said:

Where did I say that? I'm against the unethical treatment of them, as in the systematic killing, torture, confinement and otherwise unnecessary pain and anguish that these animals face.

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Ok, fair enough, but I still don't understand the problem with systematic torture that ends in DEATH ALWAYS. If animals weren't mistreated, would you still eat them?

Explode said:

I see being a vegan and being a vegetarian as the same thing, basically both don't see animal products, I do realize that there are some differences, but in terms of eating animal product, they are somewhat the same.

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That's not true even in the slightest. If you understood what a vegetarian or a vegan was, you might not have made that comment.

ve·gan
noun
a vegetarian who omits all animal products from the diet.

Leader said:

Well, that's a good question. Humans don't have a dietary need to eat meat, so I don't really need to eat meat in the first place. I don't know whether or not I would, because I feel guilty supporting the unneeded killing of sentient creatures.

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My last question is do you ever plan to become Vegan, meaning you won't drink milk or eat cheese because it comes from cows.

I was born and raised a meat-eater. The human race was made to eat other animals. Thus, it is ethical for us humans to eat meat.

When I eat meat, I don't think of how my food came to my plate. I just eat it.

Our air is toxic. So, does that mean you do not want to breathe?

wash said:

Ok, fair enough, but I still don't understand the problem with systematic torture that ends in DEATH ALWAYS. If animals weren't mistreated, would you still eat them?

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Whether or not they die, they still endure extreme amounts of unneeded and horrible pain.

I answered this a few posts above.

Leader said:

Whether or not they die, they still endure extreme amounts of unneeded and horrible pain.

I answered this a few posts above.

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Ok so if animals were killed in the least painful way possible, would you eat them?

Leader said:

That's not true even in the slightest. If you understood what a vegetarian or a vegan was, you might not have made that comment.

ve·gan
noun
a vegetarian who omits all animal products from the diet.

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Are you still going to consume dairy products such as milk and eggs?

Are you going to wear animals made from wool, fur, leather, etc?

Comedian said:

My last question is do you ever plan to become Vegan, meaning you won't drink milk or eat cheese because it comes from cows.

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That is the end goal.

Beats said:

I was born and raised a meat-eater. The human race was made to eat other animals. Thus, it is ethical for us humans to eat meat.

When I eat meat, I don't think of how my food came to my plate. I just eat it.

Our air is toxic. So, does that mean you do not want to breathe?

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Humans evolved to be omnivores, meaning we can sustain ourselves healthily on both plants or animals. We do not need to have meat in our diets to live healthily.

Your second comment is just condoning ignorance.

Leader said:

I'm against the unethical treatment of animals, ones that actually feel pain. Plants, on the other hand, are not sentient. They may respond to stimuli, but do not feel pain like other animals. They lack a nervous system and a brain.

@"cann!bal"

Plants may respond to stimuli, but that doesn't mean they feel pain. They lack a brain, nervous system, and sentience. It's completely false to state that killing a plant is equatable to killing an animal.

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I fail to see how that means therefore lack empathy with them, in this sense.

Explode said:

Wow, if you weren't being sarcastic, then I actually agree with you on this one for once. :3

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I'm not being sarcastic.

Explode said:

Are you still going to consume dairy products such as milk and eggs?

Are you going to wear animals made from wool, fur, leather, etc?

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Being a vegan means that I would not partak in the consumption of milk and eggs.

Hopefully, I would not wear animal fur. There are synthetic substitutes for all of them.

Leader said:

That is the end goal.


Humans evolved to be omnivores, meaning we can sustain ourselves healthily on both plants or animals. We do not need to have meat in our diets to live healthily.

Your second comment is just condoning ignorance.

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Well, you got me there @"Leader".

Cann!bal said:

I fail to see how that means therefore lack empathy with them, in this sense.

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They aren't sentient, therefore cannot feel, think, desire, reason, etc. Being empathetic means to understand and share the feelings of others, and plants lack those feelings.

Leader said:

They aren't sentient, therefore cannot feel, think, desire, reason, etc. Being empathetic means to understand and share the feelings of others, and plants lack those feelings.

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To lack sentience is to lack reason and thinking, however, not feeling and desire. Plants desire sunlight and other commodities and they do indeed feel pain. To empathize is to feel their pain. Plants feel pain. They do not lack it. They may not reciprocate these concepts as we do, however, that does not mean therefore they may be treated unethically for they are insignificant and deserve no rights.

Leader said:

They aren't sentient, therefore cannot feel, think, desire, reason, etc. Being empathetic means to understand and share the feelings of others, and plants lack those feelings.

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I don't think it is completely 100% healthy to be eating like that too without any meat.

Leader said:

They aren't sentient, therefore cannot feel, think, desire, reason, etc. Being empathetic means to understand and share the feelings of others, and plants lack those feelings.

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Where did you ever learn that plants cannot feel, Leader?

Anaheim said:

I don't think it is completely 100% healthy to be eating like that too without any meat.

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It is better then eating processed "100% Meat" that has gone through factory with chemicals all in the meat.

What I am trying to say most of the meat we eat isn't healthy.

Cann!bal said:

To lack sentience is to lack reason and thinking, however, not feeling and desire. Plants desire sunlight and other commodities and they do indeed feel pain. To empathize is to feel their pain. Plants feel pain. They do not lack it. They may not reciprocate these concepts as we do, however, that does not mean therefore they may be treated unethically for they are insignificant and deserve no rights.

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Without a nervous system or a brain, they cannot feel pain. They may respond to stimuli, but they are not physically feeling pain.

'Plants—unlike animals—are insentient beings void of central nervous systems, lungs, hearts, kidneys, intestines, blood, ears and eyes. They do not defecate or urinate either. Nobody screams in horror when their neighbors are mowing the lawn (grass is a plant, too). But if neighbors were slicing pigs into pieces on the front lawn, there would be tears, physical interventions and the proper authorities would be summoned to stop the bloodshed. Plus, if people honestly believe it's wrong to eat plants, they could always choose the ultra-vegan lifestyle of fruitarianism (eating the fruits and nuts that fall from trees).'

'Scientifically speaking, a plant-based food is not a sentient being, does not have an innate, emotional inclination to avoid bodily harm or death (in the same way that animals do), does not have a nervous system, and, therefore, is not even designed to process the sensation of pain.'

It's impossible to reciprocate or understand feelings that are non-existent.

Anaheim said:

I don't think it is completely 100% healthy to be eating like that too without any meat.

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Humans can easily survive and thrive without the consumption of meat.

Lol and you're skinny as it is bro, my step sister is a vegetarian and she seems to be always tired and shit, she is in good shape but inside somethings fucked up. Just make sure you get your essential nutrients and you should be fine.

Difficult said:

Lol and you're skinny as it is bro, my step sister is a vegetarian and she seems to be always tired and shit, she is in good shape but inside somethings fucked up. Just make sure you get your essential nutrients and you should be fine.

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I will. I normally feel pretty shitty anyways because I mostly eat fast food. It shouldn't be much of a problem making the change, at least in that sense.