Professor said:Without reading the thread in its entirety, I believe it was a very narrow-minded thing of you to do.
Dropping out was the result of numerous excuses you made up, all of which you could satisfy on your own accord. Take the initiative to learn that stuff on your own and understand that college would have taught you everything you're interested in once you completed HS. It was very selfish of you to drop out, especially if you weren't the one paying for the education. The fact that you still don't have your GED is proof that you made the wrong decision and completing HS would've been the gateway to everything else you needed to learn. Although HS is, to a degree, irrelevant in regards to learning material, you'd be surprised as to how critical your HS experience is in solidifying a base structure to grow from.
So, yes HS doesn't teach you very many important things, but that's why all relevant jobs require higher education. A GED or less will get you exactly what you've got - a part-time job and a mediocre lifestyle. You've not done anything by dropping out but perhaps hindered your own progress.
I strongly disagree with what you chose to do, but I wish you the best.
Cann!bal said:I talked about this in the OP.
"It was one of the best decisions I've ever made and I will never regret it."
Yeah, I am. I'm where I want to be, I'm more happy than ever and I'm enjoying my life. How isn't skyrocketing with success?
I have a voluntary part job, what about it?
If you did then point it out. I don't see anything to support your thoughts.
Your opinion is wrong and it's a shitty unsubstantiated one. You won't even back your statements up, so don't expect me to respect shit.
Professor said:By definition, an opinion cannot be wrong. However, facts can be, such as your own 'facts' about the incompetence of the education system.
Sure, I'll point out the statements you fail to recognize.
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]"understand that college would have taught you everything you're interested in once you completed HS"[/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]I never said HS was higher education because obviously it isn't; you were the one that said that for whatever reason.[/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]"The fact that you still don't have your GED is proof that you made the wrong decision and completing HS would've been the gateway to everything else you needed to learn"[/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]You stated that you dropped out to pursue your GED, which you still don't have. Had you stayed in school, and assuming you weren't behind, you would have it by now.[/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Although HS is, to a degree, irrelevant in regards to learning material, you'd be surprised as to how critical your HS experience is in solidifying a base structure to grow from. [/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]What you take from high school are more life lessons than what you take materialistically. For example, your measurement of success is subpar at best. I don't give a shit if your ignorance continues to cloud your vision. On paper, you're a HS drop out with very little work experience and nothing to put on a resume aside from being a part-time volunteer hobbyist. No employer will be impressed by your decision and nobody gives a shit why you chose to drop out of highschool. You can consider me to be an asshole if you wish, but t[/font][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]hat's just how life is. You'll see.[/font]
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]You say my opinion is unsubstantiated and therefore 'wrong', but my opinion is the result of experience and factual information. I am not seeking your respect. It means nothing to me - it's useless. I have no patience for useless things.[/font]
You've made the mistake of trading long-term gateways of opportunity for short-term liberation from the education system, all because you wanted to throw a pity party since your priorities mean more than everybody elses. Sorry you didn't get to learn everything you wanted to in high school, but you missed the point of high school altogether. There's a bigger picture.
Both of you are right in some way.Cann!bal said:Really? We're gonna play some semantics game? An opinion can be wrong and stupid. "I think dropping out was a dumb idea." Yet my life is nothing but good? That's blatantly wrong and stupid at this point in my life.
Work on your English and communication skills, then. Not my fault you can't articulate yourself.
Yeah, I don't have it yet because of my state's laws. And no, that's not true, what are you talking about? If I stayed in school I wouldn't have my GED by now either. Do you know what GED's are?
What are you looking to get out of that statement? You're not the arbiter of how good somebody's grasp of success is. Why would I take your word on that at all? You're nobody. Getting a GED instead of a diploma doesn't destine you to flip burgers or live in a box outside. Everyone I've ever known with a GED is living a perfectly fine life. I personally know several who eventually got doctorate degrees. You're pandering to the status quo and to fear-mongering when you say that shit.
I didn't say that. I said it's wrong, shitty and unsubstantiated. That doesn't mean you're right. You clearly were looking for respect. You asked me not to tell you that you are wrong.
Like I said to somebody else previously, you can reinforce the status quo all you want because of your insecurities about money and your conventional ideas of success or some shit, but my life is awesome, in the real sense of awe. I feel liberated, I'm happy and I enjoy life. I don't need a high school diploma for my goals. My goals don't need fancy requirements of higher education. I'm on the pathway I want. That's success.
Cann!bal said:Really? We're gonna play some semantics game? An opinion can be wrong and stupid. "I think dropping out was a dumb idea." Yet my life is nothing but good? That's blatantly wrong and stupid at this point in my life.
Work on your English and communication skills, then. Not my fault you can't articulate yourself.
Yeah, I don't have it yet because of my state's laws. And no, that's not true, what are you talking about? If I stayed in school I wouldn't have my GED by now either. Do you know what GED's are?
What are you looking to get out of that statement? You're not the arbiter of how good somebody's grasp of success is. Why would I take your word on that at all? You're nobody. Getting a GED instead of a diploma doesn't destine you to flip burgers or live in a box outside. Everyone I've ever known with a GED is living a perfectly fine life. I personally know several who eventually got doctorate degrees. You're pandering to the status quo and to fear-mongering when you say that shit.
I didn't say that. I said it's wrong, shitty and unsubstantiated. That doesn't mean you're right. You clearly were looking for respect. You asked me not to tell you that you are wrong.
Like I said to somebody else previously, you can reinforce the status quo all you want because of your insecurities about money and your conventional ideas of success or some shit, but my life is awesome, in the real sense of awe. I feel liberated, I'm happy and I enjoy life. I don't need a high school diploma for my goals. My goals don't need fancy requirements of higher education. I'm on the pathway I want. That's success.
Professor said:I'd like to digress. I apologize for offending you and scrutinizing your life. I have no right to pass judgment nor would I want the responsibility to do so. This should be a forum where we support each other rather than pick each other apart. All in all, remember that the only person that needs to be happy is yourself and I am glad you have found your happiness. My speculative thoughts hold no weight in the detriment or betterment of your personal decisions and there's no need for me to argue as though they do. I am no better than you and I hope that's not the impression I've made. I'm very argumentative which, in large part, is why I am in school to be a lawyer.
The original point I meant to make is one that can be summarized in the following quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson,
"education is that which remains behind when all we have learned at school is forgotten"
All the best,
In addition; perhaps it is be argued that I subconsciously side with pro-education because I am spending a lot of amount of money on a higher education so I can pursue the life I want to live.
Just a thought.
I left early Junior year, so two years essentially. And why should have I continued if that path took longer unnecessary routes to my goals? If you could attain your goals faster and better, who wouldn't take the fastest and best way? That's why I decided to leave high school, enjoy my life and be happy, get my GED before my graduating class, then go onto a plumbing career.Mal said:Both of you are right in some way.
Success is measured differently by every person , if cannibals idea of success is liberation from high school and a part time job then in fact cannibal has reached success.
but in "society" or how most people see it High school is an obstacle we have to overcome to reach higher education which in return gets you a better paying job MOST OF THE TIME not all the time or guaranteed.
All i have to say is maybe 1 more year from high school wouldn't have been that bad and I feel you cannibal, I feel like i'm not learning anything but at the end my idea of success is having a big house and more materialistic things so I have to endure this shit lol
BUT hey at least were civil enough to make decisions without harming someone or yourself , no point in arguing when all of us have different views on what success is
Cann!bal said:I'm glad you can empathize and all, however, I don't mind scrutiny long as it can be constructive and I don't think it's right to stop attempting to convey the points you've been trying to make without a mutually found conclusion. It still seems like you think dropping out can't be the right route for my life or anyone's really.
I left early Junior year, so two years essentially. And why should have I continued if that path took longer unnecessary routes to my goals? If you could attain your goals faster and better, who wouldn't take the fastest and best way? That's why I decided to leave high school, enjoy my life and be happy, get my GED before my graduating class, then go onto a plumbing career.
A life with a big house and plenty materialistic possessions doesn't require a high school diploma. It can be attained just as easily, if not more, I would say. GED's aren't worthless: that's nonsense created by fear-mongers. People seem to forget you can get into college with a GED. They are the legal equivalent to a diploma. Once you have your degree, employers aren't going to pay attention to your diploma or GED.
On a conceptual level, correct. With the direction in which today's society is moving, you're effectively choosing to walk down a significantly more difficult path. With increased job competition due to increases in technology, more educated persons, financial opportunities and so on, education is becoming more and more vital. It is becoming increasingly difficult to get a job without a college degree, and even then it's difficult. By choosing to revoke your privilege to education, it's selfish in retrospect when considering the many individuals deprived of the opportunity you've effectively thrown a middle-finger to.Cann!bal said:I'm glad you can empathize and all, however, I don't mind scrutiny long as it can be constructive and I don't think it's right to stop attempting to convey the points you've been trying to make without a mutually found conclusion. It still seems like you think dropping out can't be the right route for my life or anyone's really.
Professor said:On a conceptual level, correct. With the direction in which today's society is moving, you're effectively choosing to walk down a significantly more difficult path. With increased job competition due to increases in technology, more educated persons, financial opportunities and so on, education is becoming more and more vital. It is becoming increasingly difficult to get a job without a college degree, and even then it's difficult. By choosing to revoke your privilege to education, it's selfish in retrospect when considering the many individuals deprived of the opportunity you've effectively thrown a middle-finger to.
Here's an interesting article for statistic reference:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...raduate_vs_high_school_graduate_salaries.html
By the way; yes, we understand that a GED is what you receive when you graduate high school. I'm not sure why you believe us to be ignorant of that.
I understand there are, however, that doesn't mean these classes are universal and that doesn't mean it's being taught the most ideal way, like being taught abstinence and the failure to address emotional pain and suffering. And everything else I said you didn't mention a class for. And there's plenty more I didn't mention that should be addressed in every school like first aid and what our rights are.Bomb said:There are classes about sex: Sex Ed
There are classes about pain & suffering: Weightlifting
I honestly couldn't agree more with what you've said in the Thread and the above post. This is the first time I actually have the same views as youCann!bal said:I understand there are, however, that doesn't mean these classes are universal and that doesn't mean it's being taught the most ideal way, like being taught abstinence and the failure to address emotional pain and suffering. And everything else I said you didn't mention a class for. And there's plenty more I didn't mention that should be addressed in every school like first aid and what our rights are.
"I'm glad to say I feel extremely liberated. Anxiety is a rarity to me and I'm learning something worthwhile about every single day. I'm a totally different and better person, and I can attribute the most of that to dropping out. It was one of the best decisions I've ever made and I will never regret it. It led me onto a pathway I would never thought imaginable."Condemner said:Sorry but it seems to me like you're taking everything people say very defensively and reflecting everything. Perhaps a bit uneasy with your choice? But it's your life. You will figure it out as you go I guess.
Hahaha oh the irony...more reflecting.Cann!bal said:"I'm glad to say I feel extremely liberated. Anxiety is a rarity to me and I'm learning something worthwhile about every single day. I'm a totally different and better person, and I can attribute the most of that to dropping out. It was one of the best decisions I've ever made and I will never regret it. It led me onto a pathway I would never thought imaginable."
It's really fucking funny how you think you know what's best for me.
Address the substance of my arguments rather than attack my character, you pussy faggot.
Get the fuck off my thread, you stupid fucking faggot. All you do is make personal attacks and offer nothing to the conversation.Condemner said:Ahhhh thank you for proving my point in my reputation. You're way to young/immature to be making grown up decissions such as dropping out. My advice would be for you to stop being a fucking bum and get your shit together.
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