Are Gays Born Being Gay[Updated]

Pandas · Mar 3, 2015

>Straight
>Goes to all male prison
>Gets out
>Gay

MarioPilak · Mar 3, 2015

My observations and theories about homosexuality:

1. No one is born gay.
2. Homosexuality is a behavior acquired through several factors, most likely through influence by another homosexual.
3. Homosexuality is contagious but can be unlearned.
4. Increasing homosexuality tendencies across the world can also be attributed to the fact that women gets more attention and equal chances of attaining power and wealth with men.
5. It is a behavior developed within a person gradually, and most likely, unattended. His/her parents or guardian didn't correct the misbehavior which is why it was deeply embedded and eventually became hard to remove.
6. A person can choose NOT to be gay through self-discipline and self-control.

Hurt · Mar 3, 2015

My opinions are the exact opposite of whatever MarioPilak posted.

Nab · Mar 3, 2015

I don't think people are born gay, it's just a preference you pick up I guess. Kinda like how some people some people prefer ass over tits. @MarioPilak is retarded though.

Revolt · Mar 3, 2015

got said:
I don't think people are born gay, it's just a preference you pick up I guess. Kinda like how some people some people prefer ass over tits. @MarioPilak is retarded though.

I agree with pretty much everything you just said lol

Radical · Mar 3, 2015

Canon said:
My opinions are the exact opposite of whatever MarioPilak posted.

Can you explain why please? I agree with your opinion and have posted why way earlier in this thread.

Hurt · Mar 3, 2015

Radical said:
Can you explain why please? I agree with your opinion and have posted why way earlier in this thread.

I don't think that people can choose to be gay, and unlike @Color said near the beginning of this thread I 100% don't think its taught. Who would teach them these homosexual tendencies? There certainly isn't a "gay teacher" that would teach them this. The only thing I can see you talking about is when you learn about sexualities but even then that doesn't encourage anybody to be any sexuality. Nobody can be forced to be straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual or any other sexualities that exist today. Nothing encourages anybody to be gay, and if it did, why would they choose to be gay? I saw someone earlier make the same point that I'm about to make which is why would they choose to like people of their own gender and risk losing the respect of friends and family? I know a few people that are gay and I know that they have personally told me that they did not choose to be gay, that they just realized over time they were attracted to other men. People that believe the idea that gay people chose to be gay are simply close minded.

Kiss · Mar 3, 2015

Yea its all just preference and your choice

MarioPilak · Mar 3, 2015

Regarding my theories and observations, I will explain them accordingly, not just all at once. So without further ado:

1. No one is born gay.

I believe this because a person is born with either one of the TWO genitalias; the male and female. Thus, we say, " It's a baby boy or a baby girl!" No one ever dare say, "It's a baby gay or it's a baby lesbian!" If homosexuality is predetermined since birth, then why don't we have ways of determining such? This is because homosexuality is developed within the mind of an individual as he grows and explore society.

Canon said:
I don't think that people can choose to be gay, and unlike @Color said near the beginning of this thread I 100% don't think its taught. Who would teach them these homosexual tendencies? There certainly isn't a "gay teacher" that would teach them this. The only thing I can see you talking about is when you learn about sexualities but even then that doesn't encourage anybody to be any sexuality. Nobody can be forced to be straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual or any other sexualities that exist today. Nothing encourages anybody to be gay, and if it did, why would they choose to be gay? I saw someone earlier make the same point that I'm about to make which is why would they choose to like people of their own gender and risk losing the respect of friends and family? I know a few people that are gay and I know that they have personally told me that they did not choose to ibe gay, that they just realized over time they were attracted to other men. People that believe the idea that gay people chose to be gay are simply close minded.

This kind of mindset is the very reason homosexuals get bolder and bolder as time goes by; their so-called "openmindedness." They prance around the streets and shout out to everyone that we all have rights to "freedom of expression." I think that a lot of people have deviated from the true meaning of "freedom." Freedom is doing anything you like within the boundaries or within your limits. Overstepping the boundary is not freedom anymore, rather it already "earthliness" or "giving-in to worldly
pleasure." I can compare homosexuals to smokers or even drunkards. Smokers say ,"I can't remove my habit of smoking anymore! I have been smoking ever since I remember. If you take it away fro m me I'll die!" A doctor then tells him to stop it lest he'll gets terminally ill. From that, the once proud smoker was able to CHOOSE to quit. Can he choose NOT to quit? Yes.
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"It's not what we are that determines what we can become, rather it's our CHOICES."

Hurt · Mar 3, 2015

MarioPilak said:
Regarding my theories and observations, I will explain them accordingly, not just all at once. So without further ado:

1. No one is born gay.

I believe this because a person is born with either one of the TWO genitalias; the male and female. Thus, we say, " It's a baby boy or a baby girl!" No one ever dare say, "It's a baby gay or it's a baby lesbian!" If homosexuality is predetermined since birth, then why don't we have ways of determining such? This is because homosexuality is developed within the mind of an individual as he grows and explore society.

You can't tell if someone is gay at birth because your sexuality has no link to physical traits are you really that stupid? I cannot believe you are a real human.
This kind of mindset is the very reason homosexuals get bolder and bolder as time goes by; their so-called "openmindedness." They prance around the streets and shout out to everyone that we all have rights to "freedom of expression." I think that a lot of people have deviated from the true meaning of "freedom." Freedom is doing anything you like within the boundaries or within your limits. Overstepping the boundary is not freedom anymore, rather it already "earthliness" or "giving-in to worldly
pleasure." I can compare homosexuals to smokers or even drunkards. Smokers say ,"I can't remove my habit of smoking anymore! I have been smoking ever since I remember. If you take it away fro m me I'll die!" A doctor then tells him to stop it lest he'll gets terminally ill. From that, the once proud smoker was able to CHOOSE to quit. Can he choose NOT to quit? Yes.
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"It's not what we are that determines what we can become, rather it's our CHOICES."

You can't determine sexualities at birth because there are no physical traits linked to a persons sexuality. Are you a real human being? How can one be THAT stupid. I have never heard a smoker say "I can't quit smoking, I've been smoking as long as I can remember! If you try to make me quit I'll die!" All smokers understand the risk of what they are doing, they are simply addicted. Addiction and attraction to genders is 100% different. You must be trolling because I don't think anyone is that stupid.

MarioPilak · Mar 3, 2015

FYI, I am by no means trolling; I am just sharing my humble and honest cause just like everyone else.

No physical trait? Then what are the genitals for? Then what is written in our birth certificates as male or female? Boy or girl? So when a person springs up to the world, it's only either male of female. It is only when the person decides that he is gay, then he becomes gay. He doesn't realize it; he chooses it or decides for himself!. Prior to that choice, a person is either man or woman as birth dictates. What happens next is either a cause of choice or circumstances - his very own choices or his parents' when he is still too young. Circumstances are real life experiences which are mostly unexpected and uncontrollable, but play a key role to the shaping of the human character. I think homosexuality arises due to these two alone: Circumstances for the most part; choices for the rest. I could say the same for smokers.

Cann!bal · Mar 4, 2015

MarioPilak said:
My observations and theories about homosexuality:

1. No one is born gay.
2. Homosexuality is a behavior acquired through several factors, most likely through influence by another homosexual.
3. Homosexuality is contagious but can be unlearned.
4. Increasing homosexuality tendencies across the world can also be attributed to the fact that women gets more attention and equal chances of attaining power and wealth with men.
5. It is a behavior developed within a person gradually, and most likely, unattended. His/her parents or guardian didn't correct the misbehavior which is why it was deeply embedded and eventually became hard to remove.
6. A person can choose NOT to be gay through self-discipline and self-control.

I would like to see you address this post I made earlier in the thread.

"I don't understand why the gay people who claim to be born gay would lie about always being gay. If you ask essentially any gay person, they will tell you they've always felt this way ever since they began feeling sexually attracted to others. I don't see why we can't trust the overwhelming amount of gay people who make this claim. They have no reason to lie.

There are gay flies. The notion that flies, despite their lack of capacity to recognize they exist and make conscious choices and surviving off genetically programmed behavior, are gay by choice or learn to be gay through experiences is fucking retarded.

To those who claim it is a choice, why do LGBTQ people continue to kill themselves over a choice they could easily change?

And what experiences are these precisely, the one's that determine your preference? Everyone is ignoring this. Sexually different humans don't share very significantly different life experiences before they find their identity, yet there are profound gaps in attraction. And, we don't see a pattern in people who 'become' straight and in people who 'become' gay. People just are.

Lastly, if there's supposedly a playing field for people to come to their sexuality, how come the overwhelming majority are of the procreative sexuality in every single species? There's is obviously a biological and evolutionary answer for this, not that it's a decision or comes to be."

am Towelie · Mar 4, 2015

Being gay is a disease thats why all the people who are gay say it wasn't their choice they were born like that

MarioPilak · Mar 5, 2015

Cann!bal said:
I would like to see you address this post I made earlier in the thread.

"I don't understand why the gay people who claim to be born gay would lie about always being gay. If you ask essentially any gay person, they will tell you they've always felt this way ever since they began feeling sexually attracted to others. I don't see why we can't trust the overwhelming amount of gay people who make this claim. They have no reason to lie.

Gays stating that they have always felt that way doesn't necessarily mean they are either lying or telling the truth. There is a fine line between the truth "they know and felt" and the "absolute truth." If I say that the world is "flat" before Magellan proved otherwise, I would be telling the truth because that was what people think during that time. Likewise, those gays would say that because that was what they felt and thought, but in reality they were already passing through circumstances gradually leading them to their homosexual behavior. The behavior was not attended to by others, such as their parents because the behavior didn't manifest yet, rather, it was still developing inside the mind. After this is the crucial stage: the child/person is already giving out signs of homosexual behavior; such as effeminism or exhibiting feelings even as subtle as just admiration towards the same sex and wanting "girl" things and toys. When the homosexual behavior such as secretly having affections manifested to the person, it was already too late. If parents would be more attentive and wouldn't be tolerant to those behavior, I think there would be less much less occurence of homosexuality because they are being addressed right away.

Explode · Mar 5, 2015

Really don't see how people claim homosexuality is natural and that it's cool and all, just because cannibalism happens in nature doesn't mean it's okay.
inb4 some libtard tells me how wrong I am and that I'm a homophobe.

One · Mar 5, 2015

I'm not going to pretend I'm a scientist. But I will just state facts. Whether or not gay is a gene I don't really care all I KNOW as a solid fact is that it can be learned and that any "straight" guy can be turned bi/gay quite easily actually.

Cann!bal · Mar 5, 2015

MarioPilak said:
Gays stating that they have always felt that way doesn't necessarily mean they are either lying or telling the truth. There is a fine line between the truth "they know and felt" and the "absolute truth." If I say that the world is "flat" before Magellan proved otherwise, I would be telling the truth because that was what people think during that time. Likewise, those gays would say that because that was what they felt and thought, but in reality they were already passing through circumstances gradually leading them to their homosexual behavior. The behavior was not attended to by others, such as their parents because the behavior didn't manifest yet, rather, it was still developing inside the mind. After this is the crucial stage: the child/person is already giving out signs of homosexual behavior; such as effeminism or exhibiting feelings even as subtle as just admiration towards the same sex and wanting "girl" things and toys. When the homosexual behavior such as secretly having affections manifested to the person, it was already too late. If parents would be more attentive and wouldn't be tolerant to those behavior, I think there would be less much less occurence of homosexuality because they are being addressed right away.

So, the whole entire gay population is lying to themselves about being born this way. Every single one of them. Huh. And, the flat Earth idea is a blatant false equivalency. They weren't equipped with the apparatuses necessary to understand the world. We do. We have the entire gay population, who somehow all coincidentally claim the same thing... I mean it's right in your face.

Not every gay person goes through those transactions. And heterosexuals go through those things too. Your narrow-minded idea of sexuality is disturbingly gross, perhaps, your focus on homosexual males even more so. There's ton of nuance and complexity. It's not this black and white line.

You keep telling me this is a learned behavior, but you're ignoring the observation of gay flies I stated, what experiences make you gay question, the lack of pattern in people who 'become' straight and in people who 'become' gay observation, and the why do LGBTQ people continue to kill themselves over a choice they could change question.

I'm not going to continue this discussion if you refuse to address my points.

Slay · Mar 5, 2015

I'll be disregarding everything anyone has commented and I'll just state my own opinion. I believe that children with gay parents are taught to be more open to any choice, they aren't necessarily 100% going to be gay, but the environment around them might push them towards that.

Cann!bal · Mar 5, 2015

Explode said:
Really don't see how people claim homosexuality is natural and that it's cool and all, just because cannibalism happens in nature doesn't mean it's okay.
inb4 some libtard tells me how wrong I am and that I'm a homophobe.

You do understand homosexuality is popularly condemned on the basis of being unnatural, right?... You look fucking retarded flipping the argument.

Just because homosexuality happens in nature doesn't mean it's not okay.

And you're wrong and a homophobe.

EDIT: You should take a stab at the my earlier post. You seem pretty confident with yourself.

Radical · Mar 5, 2015

am Towelie said:
Being gay is a disease thats why all the people who are gay say it wasn't their choice they were born like that

Definition: a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.

Another Definition: In humans, "disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person.

So, to start off being gay is not a disease. In my opinion, nothing is wrong as we were all brought onto this Earth to discover ourselves (something I won't go into right now). But here is the breakdown, being gay does not bring pain or distress to the person. Sure the STD's you can get for being gay may cause this pain, but you can also catch this from women too. The next thing I would like to point out is being gay does not cause death. Sure you may say it could bring dysfunction (deviation from the norms of social behavior in a way regarded as bad), but I believe the norm means in my eyes is being happy (and of course most gay people are happy that they are gay). The last thing I would like to bring up are social problems. Everyone has them no matter if you want to agree with that or not, so if you are saying gay people have a disease due to Social Problems then I would like to say all of humanity is a disease.

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