Buying a PC, Help!

[Daimi]

The only thing I have to worry about is the Ti bottlenecking, although I'm pretty sure since the 8350 is a 4 Ghz processor I don't really have to worry about it bn'ing the Ti. The Ti is a much better card but I feel that maybe it's too out of his budget as well, but it's definitely something I shouldn't be cheaping out on. I tried to find the best card for cheap, but I think maybe a Ti is possibly affordable. That's about like $300+ added onto his current build, so it's what $1800 now?

J-jesus christ I woulda thought you'd have more common sense than to recommend an FX-8350 build.

The i7 is better in every way except in cost. It's faster, more efficient and wins in virtually every every test.

The architectures are different. Intel processors are stronger in single threaded applications which pretty much dominate the gaming area. As previously said, there are very few games that actually use more than 4 cores and even then, there's negligible difference between an i5 and the 8350.

AMD processors are strong in Multi-threaded applications or core intense applications. Many people buy an 8 core CPU for video editing which do better compared to an i5 but not an i7.

There's also no upgrade path or new generation CPUs from AMD AM3+ line.

There are two ways to shut the fanboy up, ask him to post credible sources of gaming benchmarks. Youtube videos are not credible sources. They are garbage and never tell the whole story. AnandTech, Tom's, Guru, HardOCP, TechSpot.

Let me elaborate more if I didn't come across clear.

i7 4790k is built on a 22nm manufacturing process while the 8350 is built on a 32nm process, the i7 manufacturing is so much newer giving you a more powerful, yet cooler processor, and no more GHz doesn't mean its a better CPU...... Also, it has a 2.2x lower power consumption. Next, it has 2x more l3 cache per core, meaning since the i7 has four cores, it has the same l3 cache. Shit, it even got a 2x better score on the C4D benchmark which is ALL cpu. Need I go further why the FX-8350 is a poor choice?

 

[Beam]

I really enjoy reading all this discussion

Updates: I want an i7 over amd
I'll try out watercooling if it isn't too much maintinence

 

[Paranoid]

Maybe a 290 would be in order, but the 390 is quite honestly a bit better in the right areas, if we are talking about a gaming/graphics hybrid computer. I'm aware of AMD's shitty marketing, so yeah I do agree about the 290. Similar cards, but I just think it's better for what he wants to do.

No man the 300s are a gimmick they are practically the same cards 



Get a 290 or 290x like @astro said and youll be saving money


And @kowai im with you lol. How could somebody recommend a budget cpu in a 2k build? XD the intel cpus have WAY better architecture and better performance per core which no amd cpu can come close to

Also @beam i strongly suggest to stay away from watercooling.

 

[Daimi]

No man the 300s are a gimmick they are practically the same cards 



Get a 290 or 290x like @astro said and youll be saving money


And @kowai im with you lol. How could somebody recommend a budget cpu in a 2k build? XD the intel cpus have WAY better architecture like Kowai said which no amd cpu can come close to

Also @beam i strongly suggest to stay away from watercooling.

I prefer water cooling because its sexy and obviously cooler. Why are you against him getting it?

 

[Paranoid]

I prefer water cooling because its sexy and obviously cooler. Why are you against him getting it?

I prefer it too but since it's his first build i just suggest getting air cooling due to the reliability and easy maintenance  i.e. With the watercooling leaks and such. I know air cooling is significantly louder but honestly for his first build who cares? If he gets a good case it should muffle the noises.

 

[Daimi]

I prefer it too but since it's his first build i just suggest getting air cooling due to the reliability and easy maintenance  i.e. With the watercooling leaks and such. I know air cooling is significantly louder but honestly for his first build who cares? If he gets a good case it should muffle the noises.

B-but kraken is easy to install, and the bitch never leaked on me b4 ;-;

u make kraken cri

 

[Astro]

J-jesus christ I woulda thought you'd have more common sense than to recommend an FX-8350 build.

The i7 is better in every way except in cost. It's faster, more efficient and wins in virtually every every test.

The architectures are different. Intel processors are stronger in single threaded applications which pretty much dominate the gaming area. As previously said, there are very few games that actually use more than 4 cores and even then, there's negligible difference between an i5 and the 8350.

AMD processors are strong in Multi-threaded applications or core intense applications. Many people buy an 8 core CPU for video editing which do better compared to an i5 but not an i7.

There's also no upgrade path or new generation CPUs from AMD AM3+ line.

There are two ways to shut the fanboy up, ask him to post credible sources of gaming benchmarks. Youtube videos are not credible sources. They are garbage and never tell the whole story. AnandTech, Tom's, Guru, HardOCP, TechSpot.

Let me elaborate more if I didn't come across clear.

i7 4790k is built on a 22nm manufacturing process while the 8350 is built on a 32nm process, the i7 manufacturing is so much newer giving you a more powerful, yet cooler processor, and no more GHz doesn't mean its a better CPU...... Also, it has a 2.2x lower power consumption. Next, it has 2x more l3 cache per core, meaning since the i7 has four cores, it has the same l3 cache. Shit, it even got a 2x better score on the C4D benchmark which is ALL cpu. Need I go further why the FX-8350 is a poor choice?

That's every reason why I don't choose AMD for a processor.
The Devil's Canyon is simply THE processor for gamers at this current time. I'm interested to see how much better Skylake will be for gaming, but knowing Intel I doubt it'd be a lot.

 

[Replicate]

@Kowai 's build seems pretty legit, though I'd personally buy two 128gb ssds and set them up with RAID 0 for even better performance.

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I prefer it too but since it's his first build i just suggest getting air cooling due to the reliability and easy maintenance  i.e. With the watercooling leaks and such. I know air cooling is significantly louder but honestly for his first build who cares? If he gets a good case it should muffle the noises.

he can just get a water cooler only for his CPU then, leaking is pretty rare.

 

[Daimi]

@Kowai 's build seems pretty legit, though I'd personally buy two 128gb ssds and set them up with RAID 0 for even better performance.

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he can just get a water cooler only for his CPU then, leaking is pretty rare.

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Yeah but if one of those SSDs fail, you are up shits creek without a paddle.

 

[Beam]

Yeah but if one of those SSDs fail, you are up shits creek without a paddle.

I'm going to do watercooling, i also was thinking about 256 sdd

 

[Daimi]

I'm going to do watercooling, i also was thinking about 256 sdd

Whatever would suit you best, I was just trying to fit your budget nicely.

 

[Beam]

Whatever would suit you best, I was just trying to fit your budget nicely.

I've got around 2 months to create my plan for what ill order, current budget is like $1700 usd.

 

[Daimi]

I've got around 2 months to create my plan for what ill order, current budget is like $1700 usd.

So do you want a new build or what?

 

[Beam]

So do you want a new build or what?

im just saying if you want to edit it

 

[Replicate]

Yeah but if one of those SSDs fail, you are up shits creek without a paddle.

they dont usually fail though right? Or he can do raid 1 for added protection

 

[Daimi]

they dont usually fail though right? Or he can do raid 1 for added protection

Well I mean its possible..... But either way if an SSD fails any data recovery possibility is gone. Usually why I put my important stuff on mechanicals.

 

[Replicate]

Well I mean its possible..... But either way if an SSD fails any data recovery possibility is gone. Usually why I put my important stuff on mechanicals.

I thought mechanical drives were more prone to failure?

 

[Daimi]

I thought mechanical drives were more prone to failure?

Well they are, but if they do fail data recovery is very much possible.

Such as

Replace the Drive's Controller Board
Using Linux to Recover the Data
Photorec

As for SSDs recovering lost data from solid-state drives is possible, the process can be time-consuming and therefore expensive. With SSDs, almost every drive has a different structure and different technology, while mechanical hard drives are rather simple because hell, its just rotating disks. Also, most consumer grade methods won't recover files from dead SSDs, most of the time its off to the manufacturer who will normally charge the price of a new drive to get your data off it.