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So if people don't believe, then thats why God created a Hell?
Yet the devil was once a trusted angel, and before his down cast, was there a hell?
No, the idea was based off of one arc angel.
Idk, I will have faith for the remainder of my life, but I will always have my questions, as any other human being.
 

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As you know; God already knew EVERYTHING that was going to happen in this world, and I understand your faith and your questions, as humans we all doubt. We doubt because that's what the devil wants us to do. He was cast out before creation.
 

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I don't know, I just feel that if bad things happen then God can't be real. Because if he was I think he would help is.

I don't know, I just feel that if bad things happen then God can't be real. Because if he was I think he would help us.
 

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Wisdom said:
I don't know, I just feel that if bad things happen then God can't be real. Because if he was I think he would help is.

I don't know, I just feel that if bad things happen then God can't be real. Because if he was I think he would help us.
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When people ask the question of why doesn't God just fix everything, there is something usually happening in their lives, or in the lives of someone they know which isn't right. et, fixing things isn't always about us. After all, Paul had a condition that he described as a thorn in his side. it never went away. It was there through his entire life, and no matter how much he prayed and asked for it to be removed, it stayed.

Sometimes God doesn't fix everything, because there are lessons to be learned from whatever is wrong around us. That sounds terrible, really, but if we think about how we've come out of other troubles, sometimes the lessons are profound. Sometimes the lessons aren't even for us. Sometimes the lessons are for others, or the goal is to allow another person to live up to their Godly purpose. We don't know God's plans, and we don't know God's timing. So sometimes we just need to look to God for comfort and mercy in tough times.
 

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There is no way for anyone to prove the existence of a God. There is no fact or truth behind God. It is all opinion, belief and faith.
 

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Or he is just non existent, so he can't fix our problems... Sorry had to get my opinion in, not saying anyone is wrong. Just had to say mine...
 

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What if everyone is you? You are reincarnated into a different person everytime and you are the good and evil of the world. Better yet we are already dead and within the 7 minutes our brains are alive after we die we dream up a endless amount of lives.
 

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Is there really any way to prove the existence of God? It’s possible that either you believe or you don’t. Two separate paths branch out before each of us;
~~Token fallacy of people arguing for God, the false assumption that there are only two choices. To be an Atheist and burn in hell for all eternity or believe in God. Then what of Buddhism? It teaches, not the worship or affirmation of any deity, but rather reflection and introversion for the purposes of making your self, and ulitmately, the world around you a better place.

the path of atheism on one hand and the path of God or gods on the other. One path denies accountability to any superior being other than that of nature’s collective consciousness. The other requires obedience and ultimate accountability to the government of a higher power. Atheism teaches that all things including our own existence are the result of chance.

Theism (belief in god) ascribes design and order to supernatural intelligence. “Which do I choose?” is not really the most important question. Instead, the really big question is, “How do I decide,” or “How do I determine which one is the truth?” not “truth for me” but actual provable fact.


It’s rather ironic when you think about it, but there really is only one safe choice. If you choose the path of atheism and it turns out your wrong, you’re screwed! But if you choose the path of belief in God and it turns out you’re wrong, you’ve simply hedged your bet. You lose absolutely nothing by being wrong and you gain everything if you end up being right. As clearly rock solid as this logic may be, it still doesn’t answer the question, “What is the truth?”


It’s been said that the existence of a supreme being is self evident. But what does that really mean? I’m afraid I’m probably going to step on some toes here, but consider this. NASA sends a ship into outer space, to the moon, to Mars, wherever they want. Would you say that these spacecraft and their missions are the result of intelligent design and planning or merely the fortunate consequences of natural selection and chance? I realize that I’m being absurd here but I’m proving a point of self evident truth.

How does it make any logical sense to attribute the existence and technology of spacecraft, computers, automobiles, and the like to intelligent design by human production, while at the same time pointing to the complex living mechanisms of this planet and asserting they are the result of natural accidental luck?

Unlike modern technology, these creatures cannot be reproduced or duplicated in even the most technically scientific laboratory,
~~Oh really? http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/d/dolly_the_sheep.htm

I’m sorry, but logic and common sense does not tolerate two opposite conclusions to both be reckoned as truth. If intelligent design is responsible for all sophisticated and technical machinery, then there is a God.
~~Parts of a whole are not always equal to their sum.
If all complex machinery organic or mechanical can be attributed to random chance then there is no need for a supreme being. The truth is self evident.

There are some amazing prophecies in scripture that offers proof of God.

Here's one that predicted the exact year that Jesus would come as the Messiah.
~~Using part of an argument to prove a different part of the same argument is bullshit and a fallacy of logic.
Daniel 9 says you are to count 69 X 7 from the command to restore Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah. (69 x 7 what? counting from when, by what interval? I see no evidence at all.)

Daniel 9:25, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

The Hebrew literally says "sevens," translated as weeks. If you count these sevens as years,
~~Why would you count a week as a year? Last I checked, a year was 365 days and a week was 7 days.
69 X 7 = 483 years. The command to restore Jerusalem was given in the seventh year of Artaxerxes reign (Ezra 7:8-13). Historians date that as 457 BC. If you count 483 years from that date it comes to AD 27.

According to Luke 1 Jesus began his ministry as the Messiah in the 15th year of Tiberias. Tiberias was ruling over the Syrian province at that time, and according to the Syrian calendar his 15th year was AD 27.

Daniel 9:26 states, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself. . . ." That is after the first 7 weeks; so, after those 69 X 7 Messiah is "cut off." Isaiah 53:8, ". . . for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken."

The word Messiah literally means "anointed one." [bIn Abrahamic religions, Messiah is the savior or liberator of a group of people.[/b]We read in Acts 10:34-37 that Jesus was anointed at his baptism, and from there began his ministry as the Messiah. This was in AD 27, the exact year Daniel predicted his coming over 500 years before it happened.

Other proofs can be found in predictions of Jesus' death for our sins in old testament prophecies.

Psalms 22:16-18 states, ". . . they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."

In the NT they cast lots to divide up Jesus' clothes while he hanged on the cross.

Here is the prediction of Jesus dying to make intercession for our sins.

Isaiah 53:8-10 states, "He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin. . . ."

Isaiah 53:12, "because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."


PLEASE REA

If you are an atheist or some sort of non believer, please take 1 minute out of your life and pray for God to reveal himself to you, and mean it, and he will reveal himself.
 

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Nice read OP, I believe in God. But it's slamming your head against the wall telling people over the Internet about God. Anyways , in the bible it's says that the bible isn't for none believers . Because it's illogical, it's based on faith. The mind of a man can understand only so much. Man denies what it can't understand .
 

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That may be true for you, but I know that I (I'm certain I'm not alone) try to understand that which I do not already.
 

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we have the big bang theory which declares a spinning dot of absolutely nothing exploded to form all the planets, stars, asteroids, black holes, quasars, nova’s, and primordial soup found on earth. According to the scientific discovery called, “conservation of angular momentum”, which actually means, if what’s spinning in a clockwise manner explodes, everything flying off of it will explode in the exact same manner. That being the case, why is it 2 planets, and numerous moons orbiting many planets in our galaxy alone spin in a different direction than all the others. If their big bang theory was true, why is it those planets and moons appear to have come off of a different explosion? Were there two big bangs?

Jumping ahead a bit, let’s take a look at man for example. The Word of God says we were created with Human bodies that have organs that are designed to live forever. Science has recently proven that if we were to learn something new every second, we would take well over 3 million years to exhaust the memory capacity of our "post flood" brains. (Pre-flood brains were 3 times larger) Now keep in mind, no one learns something every second. They just calculated it that way to get an educated idea. Most will learn something new once a week or even once a month and later in life once every few months or so. That means the human brain, as small as it is now, can handle the data for literally billions of years. That being the case, we see that evolutionists also claim that all species evolve after there is a need for a change. So I have to ask, how is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over billions of years, when all we can live up to is 90 -100 years? If evolution is true, why haven’t we evolved to age extremely slow so as to meet the requirements of our own brains, wherein we can live for an eternity?

When you get time I would like to ask you to view a video of a scientific experiment wherein they show how sound waves can actually create visible light when they are directed towards a body of water. The video can be found online. It’s titled, "What happens when you collapse an underwater bubble with a soundwave?" The link is found in box #4 of this sermon’s notes. When you watch that video you will be amazed at how nothing but sound-waves pointed at water did in fact create light, just as the Bible dictates.

Genesis 1:2-3, "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
Ok.. Picture a sphere of water in Space. God literally SPEAKS and says, "Let there be light." That amazingly loud blast of sound causes the water to form a small bubble within it. Then that sphere of water collapses internally upon that bubble, and as we see in that video, "there was light" created at that exact moment. Better yet, the scientists also discovered there was an enormous amount of heat generated when that happened, and the method by which the heat arrives is what they deduce to this day is what caused our Sun to be formed in our Solar System. Pretty convincing argument for the creationist is it not?

Ok.. let’s talk dinosaurs. Were you aware that Tyrannosaurus Rex was not a meat eater? Yes, I am fully aware that every evolutionist, and Hollywood director insists that he was. But Christian scientists have recently discovered two things about T-Rex that proves we have all been lied to for quite some time. They found that the roots of T-Rex’s teeth were only 2 inches deep. That means, had he bit into the hide of another dinosaur in his day he would have lost all his teeth. When you compare the size of T-Rex and the fact his roots were only 2 inches deep, he couldn’t have possibly been able to break the hide of such animals as most evolutionists have him eating. His teeth would have broken off before he even broke the skin. Better yet, were you also aware that these same scientists took one of the teeth they dug up, cut it in half, and they actually found the teeth to be gorged with chlorophyll all the way to the center of the tooth. This confirms he never ate meat. Ever.

Now because this evidence is so well known now among scientific circles, evolutionists know they cannot say it’s not true. The data has been published, and they were caught in a lie. But to try and cover the lie, some evolutionists now claim his teeth are gorged with chlorophyll because he ate dinosaurs that were vegan. Problem with that theory is, it still doesn’t negate the fact that the teeth of T-Rex only had roots that went 2 inches deep, which would still make it impossible for them to eat meat. Still, the Christian scientists also offered data that showed the teeth of modern day animals that eat only herbivores. That’s right, their teeth had absolutely no chlorophyll in them.

By the way, this discovery concerning T-Rex also validates the Biblical record once again! Before the flood of Noah, which is when evolutionists claim dinosaurs roamed the earth, and they also claim no man was alive then, we have a Bible verse that declares they were not originally designed to be meat eaters.

Genesis 1:30, "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."
Still, some claimed this to be impossible by using mankind as an example. They claimed that we as humans must eat meat to receive the proteins found in meat to grow big and strong. They claim that without meat we couldn’t gain weight or become strong enough to sustain life. Besides the fact that you can actually find much more protein in some plant life than you will ever find in meat, look around on planet earth for a moment. Look at all the HUGE animals like cows, horses, hippos, elephants, rhinos. etc. Or look at some of the ancient dinosaurs that evolutionists do admit were herbivores, like the brontosaurus or thunder lizards that were the largest mammals ever to walk the earth. All of them were herbivores! How did they get so big? How is it the elephant, giraffe or hippos, just to name a few, are so large yet they never eat meat?

As we know just by opening our educational science books, evolutionists have constructed the Geologic Column in order to illustrate the supposed progression of how "primitive" life forms into "more complex" systems we observe today. Problem with that is,



“Special creation” means a Creator had to have done this.

Next we have… The decay of earth’s magnetic field. One of the benefits of living in today’s world is that we not only have ample evidence the magnetic field is diminishing, thanks to all the beached whales that migrate in accordance with the magnetic poles. We also have concrete evidence that it’s shifting its position at airports. Just a few years ago most airports had to re-paint the numbers on their runways for the pilots who use them in their landing sequence. Those numbers represent the numeric position of true magnetic north and need to be entered into the plane’s computer for landing safely. But since the poles are changing, they needed to recalculate.

We now have scientific evidence that as little as 20,000 years ago our planet would have been a magnetic star had evolution been correct. Some scientists even claim it was as little as 10,000 years ago. Life cannot form or survive on or near a magnetic star because the properties of such an environment would cause the atoms that form our bodies, trees, animals, planet or even water and earth unable to adhere to each other. This one basic fact confirms all of evolutionary theory to be bad science at best.

Science and Historians have stated:

“It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.”
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Now, to population statistics


In other words, if we are to believe the evolutionists, there would be so many people on earth right now that we would not be able to survive because every bit of farmland and every bit of open range where animals graze would be taken up by humans standing side by side. In fact, there wouldn’t even be room enough for us to build homes or even walls between us. We would be that tightly packed. And not just on Earth, but that number suggests it would be this way on every planet in the Universe. And all this would happen within 41,000 years. I can’t even contemplate how bad it would be if as evolutionists claim modern man came to be around 400,000 years ago.

The prophecy of the seventy weeks given to Daniel about the End Times,

Daniel 9: 23-27

Please take a look at this image:



The above-mentioned chart of Daniel's 70 weeks is very useful because it lays it all out in sequence to make it easier to
understand.

Daniel 9

Before we continue, we must clarify the meaning of the term '70 weeks'. It was not 70 calendar weeks, but rather it was 70
'weeks of years', figuring each day of the 70 weeks as one year. We know this for a variety of reasons. First, the word that was
translated as 'weeks' is the word 'heptad', which means a 'group of sevens'. By the context that was given, we come to see that indeed it was meant as years and not days, as we shall soon see. Also note that Gabriel divides up the 70 weeks into 7 weeks,
62 weeks, and one week. If you miss that distinction, then you have missed the boat entirely.

This is how the 70 weeks break down:

The 7 weeks - This 49 year period is the time where the 'commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem' was given. It would take 49 years to accomplish this, and it began in 445 BC.


The 62 weeks - From the end point on the rebuilding of the walls, until Messiah was to be revealed, it would be 62 weeks, or 434 years.



The last week - This 7 year period is yet future because God stopped the timeclock when Israel rejected the Messiah and He went to the cross.


Adding the 7 weeks, or 49 years, to the 62 weeks, or 434 years, brings us to a total of exactly 483 from the time that the
commandment went forth to rebuild the walls unto the very day, April 2, 30 AD, that Jesus was paraded through the streets of Jerusalem just prior to going to the cross. Note: due to the differences in the calendars, you cannot do the math on the years
without first taking into account the different calendars that were used in the past 2,500 years. For an exhaustive breakdown
of the 70 weeks, please refer to the left sidebar entitled, The 70 Weeks Explained. Bible scholar Clarence Larkin, who by trade
was a mechanical engineer, gives you all the facts and figures you could ever ask for.

Amazingly, everything happened precisely as Gabriel had told Daniel that it world. The streets and the walls of Jerusalem were
rebuilt in exactly 49 years. And from that day to the day that "Messiah was cut off", a reference to Jesus rejection by His own
people and then execution on the cross, was exactly 434 years. Then, after 483 years of exacting bible prophecy come true,
God stops the clock and began the time of 'the great pause'. All through the bible we read where, because of the rejection
of Jesus as Messiah, God turned to the gentiles. In the Old Testament this was a great mystery, but in the New Testament
that mystery is revealed as the Church. The bible then goes on to say that this is called the 'times of the gentiles' which will
end with the Rapture of the Church. At which point, with the Church taken out of the way, God again turns His attention to
the Jews and Israel, and restarts the clock to begin the final week of Daniel's prophecy.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/creation.htm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/daniels-70th-week-explained.htm
 

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1) >Implying nothing, in the billions of years of its existence, nothing could possibly cause a planet's rotation to change. Nothing, not asteroid, not comet, not planet, not giant chunk of rock, could have been flying through space and hit the planet hard enough to cause it to change the direction of it's spin.Therefore it must be God.

No. The Big Bang Theory is just that. A theory. So is God. Nothing more than theory. I don't know how the universe was created and I can't claim to know as I don't have evidence to support an explination. The BBT, how ever true or untrue it maybe, has evidence and reasonable speculation based on scientific fact to support its claim.

2.)What flood are you talking about? The Noah and his Ark flood? Is there any evidence of that actually happening? As for aging, look the hell around you dude, 100 years ago you didn't live to be much more than 60 if you're lucky. Now average life expectancy is over 75 years. There are some who have lived to be 120+ years old, something that would be impossible 100 years ago.

3.)If you understand the princples involved, it's nothing more than a parlor trick. The as a Grandfather pulling a coin from a child's ear. The coin was never in the child's ear but the child is amazed nonetheless due to their lack of understanding.

4.)Quoting scripture to support scripture. So God created water before he created light did he? Last I check it was light and dark, then water.

5.)Then why did God deem that the T-Rex should have teeth shaped to eat meat but damn it to eating leaves? And why were we lied to exactly? Link me to evidence please?

6.)Before we had the technology of farming, we had to gather what we could and kill what was available. If you tried to live off gathering alone, you didn't make it through winter. If we're not supposed to eat animals, why do we have teeth to tear flesh? Why can we digest the meat? Why, then, in every culture around the world is the practice of eating meat?

7.)Why are the fossils burried at different depths then?

8.) We live on a giant magnet. Ever heard of a compass? It works because the need is magnetized and then atracted to the Earth's magnetic North.

9.)So you're saying there would be just over 2000 people in 41,000 years time if Evolution is correct?

10.)You calculate war,famine, desease, etc into the Theistic argument, but not the Evolutionary. If you get rid of the thousand year gap left by the Christian Dark Ages, it is reasonable to assume we would have the technology of today 1000 years ago.


Will update later, I have to go to work.
 

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Because the Earth has changed dramatically in 66 million years, dinosaur fossils are found in all sorts of places. A fossilized seashore with dinosaur tracks, for example, may have been tossed by geologic forces to form the nearly-vertical side of a cliff, making it look as if the dinosaur had been running up the cliff. The fossil of a mammal dating from 55 million years ago was found in an oil well drill core drawn from a depth of 2,460 feet (750 meters) beneath the surface; how much deeper might dinosaur fossils lie?

Fossils are exposed naturally by erosion, accidentally by the digging that man does in road building and other excavations, or quite intentionally by paleontologists. Paleontologists never begin to dig blindly: the Earth is too large, and fossils are too small. They know which locations are likely to conceal the types of fossils they wish to uncover, and they know which strata (layers of earth) in which to search.

The recovery of fossils is done in progressively finer stages. At first, power tools may be used to remove large amounts of non-fossil-bearing earth.

Number 6, I was not referring to humans.

By using the conservation of angular momentum, we can prove the big bang theory did not happen. Scientists believe the the universe started with a dot. No bigger than a dot on a piece of paper. Then, large amounts of dust started spinning, or, rotating around it. Now, if it was spinning around it, it was spinning in a certain direction. We do not know which directing. Then BANG. Huge explosion, and all the planets and universes came spinning out, all ion different directions.

According to the law of physics, the conservation of angular direction, if some thing, a certain object, is spinning, and a piece of it brakes off, it will fall in the same direction as the object was spinning. E.g, if you were on a merry go round, and you fell off, you would fall in the same direction was spinning. If it was spinning clock wise you too would fall clock wise.

So when the bang happened, the planets caae flying out of the dot. SO, all the planets should be spinning in the same direction as the dust was circling the dot. But.. Why are Venus, Uranus and Earth rotating in opposite directions than all the other planets? Why has Saturn got moons spinning in both directions?
 

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Firstly, I would like you to elaborate your religious views, so I can better understand your viewpoint.


You forgot agnosticism.

Atheism teaches nothing, it is solely the lack of belief in a god.


Pascal's wager is a logically flawed mechanism used to persuade others to theism. It's a false dichotomy. It ignores all other religions. It ignores other Heavens and Hells, and it puts forth the claim that believing and obeying in a God costs you nothing which is certainly not true because this would be your only life, it's not a no loss situation. Just because you believe in one particular God doesn't mean you have avoided the Hell of another one.

It also makes the presumption that this God is idiotic enough to buy into this covering-my-ass conclusion.

It's insanely flawed, don't use it again.


They're fortunate consequences of natural selection and chance.


It does make logical sense. Look at the scientific chances of there being extraterrestrial life somewhere else. It's totally feasible.


I don't see how this claim supports theism, elaborate a little more please.

Even if this claim you are making about the truth being self-evident is true, which it's not, it would in no way specify which God is the right one. Nor could it be taken as valid proof, because it supports the existence of every God, even the blatantly false ones.


"Prophecies" have also been fulfilled in other holy scripture. What makes you so confident all those other prophecies were false and coincidences, and that yours weren't?

If you are an atheist or some sort of non believer, please take 1 minute out of your life and pray for God to reveal himself to you, and mean it, and he will reveal himself.
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Will you pay me if he doesn't?
 

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There is a difference between believing God is real and having faith that God is real.

I personally have faith that The Lord is real. When I was younger I had doubts that God was real. But I learned that you don't have to believe that God is real but that you just have to have faith.

Having a mind set like that will brighten things up in your life and will take away your thoughts that God isn't real.

Just have faith.
 

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The universe started with a particle, which was infinitesimally smaller than an atom.

"Then, large amounts of dust started spinning, or, rotating around it," seriously?

It was not an explosion, it was an expansion.

"And all the planets and universes came spinning out."

I don't think you can get anymore wrong than that. I want to stop you right here seeing that you have no scientific understanding of the big bang. Who are you using as your source?

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But I learned that you don't have to believe that God is real but that you just have to have faith.
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That makes absolutely no logical sense.
 

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It doesn't to you because you are an Atheist.
 

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Everyone has their own opinions/beliefs. If you're an atheist, congrats. Same goes if you believe in any religion. There's no way to truly know whether there is a God or not. However, I was born into a Catholic family. I believe in him, and I have faith in him.
 
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