God is real

[Nevermind]

It does lack evidence for us, but I dint not say I don't belive in God, well I just giggled a bit from your post... my idea can relate to this sentence:

There is cancer, but we cannot cure it yet, so therefore we must conuct a study and research on how we are to able to cure it.

So nonetheless, ther is God, but in order to prove we must conduct a study adn research on how the whole equilibrium.

Like I said, the debate is over.

 

[Executioner]

Like I said, the debate is over.

Hopefully, but the debate would really end if you can answer on how everything is created.

I'll put this debate to a kindergarten level,

I believe in God, so he made everything around us.

And what about you? Science? Isn't science baffled about our anatomy? We dont even know what lies beneath the ocean.

Like I said Aetheism is pretty flawed, its like a beggar who crams for the answer until someone gives him enough alms just to prove it to him that there is still hope for him.

 

[Cann!bal]

Alright, you just did, you're expresing(not saying) that there is no God to belive in, and now you are telling me that ther is "no claim" on the creation theory, hence it is true that no one lived to tell the tale, but to my extent I believe that something has made us, it is not a method but it is a fact that lacks evidence on how the whole ideology was created, I'm not saying that the bible is real therefore we should or should not believe on it, but it's basically an anicent scripture that provides significant events thousands of years ago, people are melting just to find the justified answer to our creation, and in the end people would just cry begging for forgiveness on what they did not believe when they were still in Earth... Aethiesm just doesn't make sense.

No, I simply said evolution is not a creation theory. A 'fact' that lacks evidence is not a fact. A 'fact' must be proven with solid evidence in order to be a fact. I must ask, how come you insist there must be a point to our creation? I fail to see any logic to dictate there being a point to our existence. It doesn't make sense to reject a faith-based claim? Alright, sure, buddy. I rather burn in hell than worship and beg for a sick malevolent dictator's forgiveness.

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Hopefully, but the debate would really end if you can answer on how everything is created.

I'll put this debate to a kindergarten level,

I believe in God, so he made everything around us.

And what about you? Science? Isn't science baffled about our anatomy? We dont even know what lies beneath the ocean.

Like I said Aetheism is pretty flawed, its like a beggar who crams for the answer until someone gives him enough alms just to prove it to him that there is still hope for him.

I'll ignore all the malarkey you just said and present you a request. Name one truly erroneous flaw of atheism.

 

[Executioner]

No, I simply said evolution is not a creation theory. A 'fact' that lacks evidence is not a fact. A 'fact' must be proven with solid evidence in order to be a fact. I must ask, how come you insist there must be a point to our creation? I fail to see any logic to dictate there being a point to our existence. It doesn't make sense to reject a faith-based claim? Alright, sure, buddy. I rather burn in hell than worship and beg for a sick malevolent dictator's forgiveness.

I see what you mean, but why is it to blame GOd for all the nuisance that is happening around us, there is a word called Freewill, and in my theology class, my teacher said that God gave us freewill, though we are not the one who chooses our own way of life, but we are given the freewill of directions on what will happen to us.

And yes, I clearly said 'fact' because it is indeed proven that something or someone created us, but just lacks more evidence on how we are made in detail, there are some things that are unclear to me, I too is also looking for the answers but I know that I may be able to find it if I do continue living with my own faith.

 

[Nevermind]

Hopefully, but the debate would really end if you can answer on how everything is created.

I'll put this debate to a kindergarten level,

I believe in God, so he made everything around us.

And what about you? Science? Isn't science baffled about our anatomy? We dont even know what lies beneath the ocean.

Like I said Aetheism is pretty flawed, its like a beggar who crams for the answer until someone gives him enough alms just to prove it to him that there is still hope for him.

Creationism is pretty flawed. It's like a man who screams for the answer until someone gives him useless Bible verses just to prove that there is still hope for him.

See how I just flipped that on you? Your arguments are flawed and stand on no logical ground. I suggest you learn how to make an argument using sound logic and reason before posting again.

 

[Executioner]

No, I simply said evolution is not a creation theory. A 'fact' that lacks evidence is not a fact. A 'fact' must be proven with solid evidence in order to be a fact. I must ask, how come you insist there must be a point to our creation? I fail to see any logic to dictate there being a point to our existence. It doesn't make sense to reject a faith-based claim? Alright, sure, buddy. I rather burn in hell than worship and beg for a sick malevolent dictator's forgiveness.

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I'll ignore all the malarkey you just said and present you a request. Name one truly erroneous flaw of atheism.

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Alright, as simple as this, Aethiesm is flawed because how and why would he disbelieve on something that he has no knowledge on, like you're trying to tell me that this is fake, but how would you say it? There must be a certain root or source of this whole thing, more of likely you are disproving of an idea.

Lets put this in an earthly perspective

There is a new kind of creature that lives underneath the lake, no one has has seen it but it left obvious and similar traces and marks, now lets say aethiests are those people who dont believe in that creature, but they can obviosuly see the traces and marks left by that creature, I cant explain it in depth but I hope you get my idea.

 

[Cann!bal]

I see what you mean, but why is it to blame GOd for all the nuisance that is happening around us, there is a word called Freewill, and in my theology class, my teacher said that God gave us freewill, though we are not the one who chooses our own way of life, but we are given the freewill of directions on what will happen to us.

And yes, I clearly said 'fact' because it is indeed proven that something or someone created us, but just lacks more evidence on how we are made in detail, there are some things that are unclear to me, I too is also looking for the answers but I know that I may be able to find it if I do continue living with my own faith.

Beforehand, do you believe in the power of prayer?

Okay, so you claim it is proven someone or something created us. Show me proof someone or something created us. I'll send give you my SSN, all the money in my PayPal, and anything else you want if you can.

 

[Executioner]

Creationism is pretty flawed. It's like a man who screams for the answer until someone gives him useless Bible verses just to prove that there is still hope for him.

See how I just flipped that on you? Your arguments are flawed and stand on no logical ground. I suggest you learn how to make an argument using sound logic and reason before posting again.

Your statements are flawed, you dont give out direct answers but just states "my flaws" on posting in this debate, you are attacking more on the person then the actaul argument, therefore it's called argumentum ad hominem , and if you were in of the debates like these, you should have lost minutes ago.

 

[BasedGod]

Honestly, we could debate for years. This is your own personal preference. I am personally a Christian. You could try to talk "your sense" into me and it wouldn't work. Then i would reply with "my sense" and it wouldn't work. Believe what you want. There is no clear support behind either sides, so do what you want.

 

[Nevermind]

Your statements are flawed, you dont give out direct answers but just states "my flaws" on posting in this debate, you are attacking more on the person then the actaul argument, therefore it's called argumentum ad hominem , and if you were in of the debates like these, you should have lost minutes ago.

I pointed out the flaws of your argument by reversing your own statement against you. What is wrong about that?

 

[Nevermind]

Honestly, we could debate for years. This is your own personal preference. I am personally a Christian. You could try to talk "your sense" into me and it wouldn't work. Then i would reply with "my sense" and it wouldn't work. Believe what you want. There is no clear support behind either sides, so do what you want.

There is no clear support behind Christianity, but there is support on the side of Atheism.

 

[Executioner]

Beforehand, do you believe in the power of prayer?

Okay, so you claim it is proven someone or something created us. Show me proof someone or something created us. I'll send give you my SSN, all the money in my PayPal, and anything else you want if you can.

I do believe in my prayer, it gives me strenght in my faith.

And lastly, like I said, we do need more answers to this, I believe in God, but I too is attached with this scientific progress into the path of discovering God, but for me it is clear that the universe was made by him, our minds are set in our own standards, that we are too glared into believing such impossible ideologies, if you would like to find the answers then you should literally kill yourself in attempt to discover the true answers to our Universe.

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I pointed out the flaws of your argument by reversing your own statement against you. What is wrong about that?

We are focusing on a particualr topic, not by how I gramatically put it into sentence, and I dont see any flaw in what I post because I do know what I write down and how I will defend it.

 

[Cann!bal]

Alright, as simple as this, Aethiesm is flawed because how and why would he disbelieve on something that he has no knowledge on, like you're trying to tell me that this is fake, but how would you say it? There must be a certain root or source of this whole thing, more of likely you are disproving of an idea.

Lets put this in an earthly perspective

There is a new kind of creature that lives underneath the lake, no one has has seen it but it left obvious and similar traces and marks, now lets say aethiests are those people who dont believe in that creature, but they can obviosuly see the traces and marks left by that creature, I cant explain it in depth but I hope you get my idea.

Again, atheism is the rejection of a claim due to lack of evidence. Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence, what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

That example is flawed, because the evidence of god is not blatant.

 

[Nevermind]

We are focusing on a particualr topic, not by how I gramatically put it into sentence, and I dont see any flaw in what I post because I do know what I write down and how I will defend it.

I retorted you argument with the same argument, just reversed. I wasn't pointing out errors in your grammar, bud.

 

[Executioner]

Again, atheism is the rejection of a claim due to lack of evidence. Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence, what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

That example is flawed, because the evidence of god is not blatant.

Well, our arguments are drawing farther out but whatever you believe in cant be changed or altered unless you do find a significant proof towards our existance and with God.

Anyways, the rebuttal is good, I did learn a few things in your mindset and I dont mind going farther out because no one will definitely win here. Anyways Cha-cha!

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I retorted you argument with the same argument, just reversed. I wasn't pointing out errors in your grammar, bud.

Dont know what we are arguing about, but I clearly said that I believe in God but we just need more evidence on this idea.

 

[Cann!bal]

I do believe in my prayer, it gives me strenght in my faith.

And lastly, like I said, we do need more answers to this, I believe in God, but I too is attached with this scientific progress into the path of discovering God, but for me it is clear that the universe was made by him, our minds are set in our own standards, that we are too glared into believing such impossible ideologies, if you would like to find the answers then you should literally kill yourself in attempt to discover the true answers to our Universe.

If you're god must allow free will, and cannot intervene without violating free will, then praying for anything that would affect anyone in the slightest is completely useless, which is essentially what all prayers consist of. Thus, making prayer demonstrably erroneous, because no god would create such a tool that can't be used. Plus, the concept of free will is just another unfalsifiable attribute, like every other superstitious concept.

Then you cannot claim your claim it is indeed true and proven, because you're lying. Personal evidence is not valid. Telling me to kill myself indirectly, real mature.

 

[Executioner]

If you're god must allow free will, and cannot intervene without violating free will, then praying for anything that would affect anyone in the slightest is completely useless, which is essentially everything. Thus, making prayer demonstrably false, because no god would create such a tool that can't be used. Plus, the concept of free will is just another unfalsifiable attribute, like every other superstitious concept.

Then you cannot claim your claim it is indeed true and proven, because you're lying. Personal evidence is not valid. Telling me to kill myself indirectly, real mature.

Prayer and Freewill is different, Praying is a way to communicate to God by faith, I had some certain experiences with it, too personal but it made me uplift my personal self, and I dont see whats wrong with freewill, you are given with it and your mind is set in freewill that me and you are talking because we wanted to debate on something, how is that flawed?

My claim is my claim, I dont care if no one believes in it but that was in my experience book, and lastly that was just a statement to really prove the whole exsitance, nothing personal.

 

[Cann!bal]

Prayer and Freewill is different, Praying is a way to communicate to God by faith, I had some certain experiences with it, too personal but it made me uplift my personal self, and I dont see whats wrong with freewill, you are given with it and your mind is set in freewill that me and you are talking because we wanted to debate on something, how is that flawed?

My claim is my claim, I dont care if no one believes in it but that was in my experience book, and lastly that was just a statement to really prove the whole exsitance, nothing personal.

I know they're different concepts, I demonstrated how they're erroneous. Nothing you just said refuted it.

Again, personal experience and evidence is not valid in the debate of god.

 

[Executioner]

I know they're different concepts, I demonstrated how they're erroneous. Nothing you just said refuted it.

Again, personal experience and evidence is not valid in the debate of god.

God is with my faith so it is valid. and "evidence" is the main thing on why we are debating about it.

 

[Cann!bal]

God is with my faith so it is valid. and "evidence" is the main thing on why we are debating about it.

Elaborate furthermore on how that in any way faith makes personal evidence valid.

Provide me evidence then.