God is real

Aura · Oct 24, 2013

I'll put it simply:

As far as anyone on this earth is concerned, god does not exist. "He" has not shown himself, proven himself directly. People attribute "miracles" to god all the time, clearly that is speculation in its finest form. Divine intervention does not exist, prayer is illogical and does not work. These are things we know.

More things we know. Bad things happen, terrible, unspeakable events occur and have always occured. Even to people of the highest faith and belief in god.

Everything is all part of gods plan, right? If he is to be held responsible for the good things and the miracles, you better believe he is to be held responsible for all of the bad things that happen. Some of the biggest Christian countries in the world get hit by tsunamis, suffer earthquakes, etc. annualy.

Options based off of that truth:

1. God doesnt exist
2. God exists, created the universe but does not intervene in anything (Meaning he allows and created genocide, rape, famine, disease, natural disaster etc.)

Debunking number 2, the god of the bible and the religions that follow it does not exist. We know the things I listed above do not describe loving, caring, or being omnipotent.

I understand that the bible does include explanations for some of these things, however, they do not morally justify the occurance of them under the standards of myself or anyone that I know personally. In other words, no person would read the explanations given and nod in agreement as if it were justifiable. Therefor the god described in the bible does not exist, and the evidence of that is the past and the present that we are living. Anyone who would accept a god that literally allows young children to be raped and molested, or entire races to be slaughtered and enslaved, is not a role model in moral character.

HUNNID · Oct 24, 2013

Michaelll said:
Is there really any way to prove the existence of God? It’s possible that either you believe or you don’t. Two separate paths branch out before each of us; the path of atheism on one hand and the path of God or gods on the other. One path denies accountability to any superior being other than that of nature’s collective consciousness. The other requires obedience and ultimate accountability to the government of a higher power. Atheism teaches that all things including our own existence are the result of chance.

Theism (belief in god) ascribes design and order to supernatural intelligence. “Which do I choose?” is not really the most important question. Instead, the really big question is, “How do I decide,” or “How do I determine which one is the truth?” not “truth for me” but actual provable fact.

It’s rather ironic when you think about it, but there really is only one safe choice. If you choose the path of atheism and it turns out your wrong, you’re screwed! But if you choose the path of belief in God and it turns out you’re wrong, you’ve simply hedged your bet. You lose absolutely nothing by being wrong and you gain everything if you end up being right. As clearly rock solid as this logic may be, it still doesn’t answer the question, “What is the truth?”

It’s been said that the existence of a supreme being is self evident. But what does that really mean? I’m afraid I’m probably going to step on some toes here, but consider this. NASA sends a ship into outer space, to the moon, to Mars, wherever they want. Would you say that these spacecraft and their missions are the result of intelligent design and planning or merely the fortunate consequences of natural selection and chance? I realize that I’m being absurd here but I’m proving a point of self evident truth.

How does it make any logical sense to attribute the existence and technology of spacecraft, computers, automobiles, and the like to intelligent design by human production, while at the same time pointing to the complex living mechanisms of this planet and asserting they are the result of natural accidental luck?

Unlike modern technology, these creatures cannot be reproduced or duplicated in even the most technically scientific laboratory, I’m sorry, but logic and common sense does not tolerate two opposite conclusions to both be reckoned as truth. If intelligent design is responsible for all sophisticated and technical machinery, then there is a God. If all complex machinery organic or mechanical can be attributed to random chance then there is no need for a supreme being. The truth is self evident.

There are some amazing prophecies in scripture that offers proof of God.

Here's one that predicted the exact year that Jesus would come as the Messiah.

Daniel 9 says you are to count 69 X 7 from the command to restore Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah.

Daniel 9:25, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

The Hebrew literally says "sevens," translated as weeks. If you count these sevens as years, 69 X 7 = 483 years. The command to restore Jerusalem was given in the seventh year of Artaxerxes reign (Ezra 7:8-13). Historians date that as 457 BC. If you count 483 years from that date it comes to AD 27.

According to Luke 1 Jesus began his ministry as the Messiah in the 15th year of Tiberias. Tiberias was ruling over the Syrian province at that time, and according to the Syrian calendar his 15th year was AD 27.

Daniel 9:26 states, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself. . . ." That is after the first 7 weeks; so, after those 69 X 7 Messiah is "cut off." Isaiah 53:8, ". . . for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken."

The word Messiah literally means "anointed one." We read in Acts 10:34-37 that Jesus was anointed at his baptism, and from there began his ministry as the Messiah. This was in AD 27, the exact year Daniel predicted his coming over 500 years before it happened.

Other proofs can be found in predictions of Jesus' death for our sins in old testament prophecies.

Psalms 22:16-18 states, ". . . they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."

In the NT they cast lots to divide up Jesus' clothes while he hanged on the cross.

Here is the prediction of Jesus dying to make intercession for our sins.

Isaiah 53:8-10 states, "He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin. . . ."

Isaiah 53:12, "because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

PLEASE REA

If you are an atheist or some sort of non believer, please take 1 minute out of your life and pray for God to reveal himself to you, and mean it, and he will reveal himself.

God isn't real and neither is religion. You would now in history that religion was founded in B.C. times by the romans to give people hope and to also control the people. Religion is just an excuse to extract money out of the people and give them hope for something better after there shitty life that they are already living. its a disgusting thing and the fact that you still believe in this is beyond me. Look into science not into something about how a man sat in the clouds and created this universe. If god is real who created God?

Nevermind · Oct 26, 2013

xSlatzy said:
God isn't real and neither is religion. You would now in history that religion was founded in B.C. times by the romans to give people hope and to also control the people. Religion is just an excuse to extract money out of the people and give them hope for something better after there shitty life that they are already living. its a disgusting thing and the fact that you still believe in this is beyond me. Look into science not into something about how a man sat in the clouds and created this universe. If god is real who created God?

God is more than just a creation story to people. First of all, I'm an atheist going to a catholic school, but I don't hate religion, I just choose not to believe in it. I have scripture class at school, which I hate, but through the class I am able to learn a lot about the Bible. The Bible is not meant to be read word for word, which is how you are interpreting it. It is supposed to be read in context using the historical background of the authors and knowing about the time which it was written in. Most of the Bible applies to everyday life. There are many believers who realize how ridiculous some of the stories in the bible are, if they aren't read the correct way. Messages of trust, love, companionship and community are shared through the stories of the Bible, which anyone could find admirable. These are the main reason people believe in God and the Bible. Now, there are many more things that have to be argued with the concept of God.

HUNNID · Oct 26, 2013

Leader said:
God is more than just a creation story to people. First of all, I'm an atheist going to a catholic school, but I don't hate religion, I just choose not to believe in it. I have scripture class at school, which I hate, but through the class I am able to learn a lot about the Bible. The Bible is not meant to be read word for word, which is how you are interpreting it. It is supposed to be read in context using the historical background of the authors and knowing about the time which it was written in. Most of the Bible applies to everyday life. There are many believers who realize how ridiculous some of the stories in the bible are, if they aren't read the correct way. Messages of trust, love, companionship and community are shared through the stories of the Bible, which anyone could find admirable. These are the main reason people believe in God and the Bible. Now, there are many more things that have to be argued with the concept of God.

That is your opinion. No one knows how it should be interpreted, or who should interpret it. In the olden days only the Pope was allowed to interpret the bible and eventually the king. Its a joke and its all meant just to give people hope and help control them. It really is a disgusting thing, and the fact that people dedicate there lives to try to "get in heaven" is amazing to me. T

Nevermind · Oct 26, 2013

xSlatzy said:
That is your opinion. No one knows how it should be interpreted, or who should interpret it. In the olden days only the Pope was allowed to interpret the bible and eventually the king. Its a joke and its all meant just to give people hope and help control them. It really is a disgusting thing, and the fact that people dedicate there lives to try to "get in heaven" is amazing to me. T

That's not all that religion is. It gives people hope, helps the get through the day, and gives them something to believe in. How is that disgusting? Also, what you're doing here is stereotyping all religions and categorizing them into one group, which is incorrect. That was not my opinion in my last post, either.

HUNNID · Oct 26, 2013

Leader said:
That's not all that religion is. It gives people hope, helps the get through the day, and gives them something to believe in. How is that disgusting? Also, what you're doing here is stereotyping all religions and categorizing them into one group, which is incorrect. That was not my opinion in my last post, either.

I said that religion gives people hope... Re-read what I said and also its disgusting because it causes so many wars and also because of the fact so many people have been killed over a stupid belief that means nothing. I don't care if I am categorizing religion into groups because all religions are not real and fake. Religion was invented in Rome during times of disparity and what it did was help people (who had these awful lives) think that when they died they would be able to go and live with "God" where it would be peaceful and they would be safe/happy. It was all just meant to help control the people, it was created on that sole purpose. And through this many other religions began to form. This is my opinion and I don't really care if you disagree its just that I believe that all religion is stupid and made up to give hope (when this hope doesn't exist) and also to control the people, which i have already stated numerous times.

Nevermind · Oct 26, 2013

xSlatzy said:
I said that religion gives people hope... Re-read what I said and also its disgusting because it causes so many wars and also because of the fact so many people have been killed over a stupid belief that means nothing. I don't care if I am categorizing religion into groups because all religions are not real and fake. Religion was invented in Rome during times of disparity and what it did was help people (who had these awful lives) think that when they died they would be able to go and live with "God" where it would be peaceful and they would be safe/happy. It was all just meant to help control the people, it was created on that sole purpose. And through this many other religions began to form. This is my opinion and I don't really care if you disagree its just that I believe that all religion is stupid and made up to give hope (when this hope doesn't exist) and also to control the people, which i have already stated numerous times.

Religion was not invented in Rome. I'm done talking to you because you obviously don't understand what you're saying. Ignorant people give us atheists a bad name.

HUNNID · Oct 26, 2013

Leader said:
Religion was not invented in Rome. I'm done talking to you because you obviously don't understand what you're saying. Ignorant people give us atheists a bad name.

AHAH Do your research. Religion was invited in rome during the B.C. times. Thats where the original "Gods" came from then Christianity was built.

Nevermind · Oct 26, 2013

xSlatzy said:
AHAH Do your research. Religion was invited in rome during the B.C. times. Thats where the original "Gods" came from then Christianity was built.

Religion has been around much long than Rome. You're referring to Christianity. Religion is more than just Christianity.

Cann!bal · Oct 26, 2013

Leader said:
God is more than just a creation story to people. First of all, I'm an atheist going to a catholic school, but I don't hate religion, I just choose not to believe in it. I have scripture class at school, which I hate, but through the class I am able to learn a lot about the Bible. The Bible is not meant to be read word for word, which is how you are interpreting it. It is supposed to be read in context using the historical background of the authors and knowing about the time which it was written in. Most of the Bible applies to everyday life. There are many believers who realize how ridiculous some of the stories in the bible are, if they aren't read the correct way. Messages of trust, love, companionship and community are shared through the stories of the Bible, which anyone could find admirable. These are the main reason people believe in God and the Bible. Now, there are many more things that have to be argued with the concept of God.

The bible is not meant to be read literally. The ideology of interpreting the bible differently is ridiculous. You can find an excuse for essentially any text you read. However, there is some verses in the bible which are just blatant malarkey and can't be interpreted logically. Plus, there's no valid logic to dictate that it is indeed to be read not literally, and there's none to dictate what is to be interpreted literally and what is to not be interpreted literally. Interpreting religious text differently is an attempt to add secular characteristics into a religious culture to meet and balance with society's advancing standards of morality.

Nevermind · Oct 26, 2013

Cann!bal said:
The bible is not meant to be read literally. The ideology of interpreting the bible differently is ridiculous. You can find an excuse for essentially any text you read. However, there is some verses in the bible which are just blatant malarkey and can't be interpreted logically. Plus, there's no valid logic to dictate that it is indeed to be read not literally, and there's none to dictate what is to be interpreted literally and what is to not be interpreted literally. Interpreting religious text differently is an attempt to add secular characteristics into a religious culture to meet and balance with society's advancing standards of morality.

The Bible was written 2,000 years ago, so you cannot possibly read it literally. It was created in a different time and should be read as if it was. The fact that it was written 2,000 years in the past is perfectly sound logic for reading the Bible with a grain of salt. Otherwise, I agree with you. I find most verses completely false and ridiculous, but that's my opinion.

Cann!bal · Oct 26, 2013

Leader said:
The Bible was written 2,000 years ago, so you cannot possibly read it literally. It was created in a different time and should be read as if it was. The fact that it was written 2,000 years in the past is perfectly sound logic for reading the Bible with a grain of salt. Otherwise, I agree with you. I find most verses completely false and ridiculous, but that's my opinion.

I made a mistake in a state of confusion in beginning of my statement. I meant the bible is suppose to be taken literally, not that it isn't suppose to be taken literally. Oops.

Nevermind · Oct 26, 2013

Cann!bal said:
I made a mistake in a state of confusion in beginning of my statement. I meant the bible is suppose to be taken literally, not that it isn't suppose to be taken literally. Oops.

I noticed that, and adjusted my argument.

Executioner · Oct 26, 2013

Michaelll said:
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Ever notice how evolutionists will manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism? For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they’re found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called “circular reasoning.” One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.

they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that’s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago? After all, if life is as they define it to be, then it must be a constant evolutionary process for life to continue, which means that evolutionary process be never ending. Some have claimed that mutations are evolution because of some moth that changed its color years ago. Real scientists discovered that the moth changed its color because of its environment. In other words, if just changing its color means they evolved, then that must mean that every time I work in the garden and get a tan I’m actually evolving?

And by the way, I say 6000 years because as Christians we know by reading Genesis chapters 1 & 2 that our Lord created all that is seen and unseen in creation week 6000 years ago. We also know this is when creation stopped and He hallowed the day He rested. We call that day Sabbath to this day and we keep it holy to acknowledge Him as our Creator every seventh day. Could it be this is why Satan inspired Darwin with evolution? I believe so because evolution allows you to hide the fact you were created and in so doing removes your requirement to acknowledge Him as Lord which would mean you need to and obey Him since He truly would know what’s best for you seeing how it is He that made you.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/creation.htm

I belive in this, somehow this should be posted to debates whenever Atheist states on believing in science.

Cann!bal · Oct 27, 2013

Michaelll said:
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Ever notice how evolutionists will manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism? For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they’re found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called “circular reasoning.” One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.

You're making a straw man argument fallacy. If you were to ask an evolutionist how they date fossils, they would answer by carbon dating, not by the depth of the layers. Carbon dating is a method in which one measures the amount of carbon-14 left. Hence, it is not circular reasoning. Whoever told you the contrary is not a reliable source.

they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that’s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago? After all, if life is as they define it to be, then it must be a constant evolutionary process for life to continue, which means that evolutionary process be never ending. Some have claimed that mutations are evolution because of some moth that changed its color years ago. Real scientists discovered that the moth changed its color because of its environment. In other words, if just changing its color means they evolved, then that must mean that every time I work in the garden and get a tan I’m actually evolving?

You a made plethora fallacies, specifically straw man fallacies.

"they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that’s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created?"

How is believing that apes eventually turned into humans through the process of natural selection more ridiculous than a talking snake and an apple being the reason of the downfall of the human race?

It takes millennias upon millennias for such significant change to occur. 6000 years is not extensive enough for an entirely new type of species to forthcome.

"Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard."

"If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago? After all, if life is as they define it to be, then it must be a constant evolutionary process for life to continue, which means that evolutionary process be never ending."

Evolution did not stop after 6000 years. The average height is much higher than it was just 2000 years ago, as well as the average lifespan has drastically increased. We can observe insects becoming immune to pesticides in a matter of a decade due to their reproduction rate. Evolution has not stopped in the slightest.

"Some have claimed that mutations are evolution because of some moth that changed its color years ago. Real scientists discovered that the moth changed its color because of its environment. In other words, if just changing its color means they evolved, then that must mean that every time I work in the garden and get a tan I’m actually evolving?"

No, you're tan is not genetic.

And by the way, I say 6000 years because as Christians we know by reading Genesis chapters 1 & 2 that our Lord created all that is seen and unseen in creation week 6000 years ago. We also know this is when creation stopped and He hallowed the day He rested. We call that day Sabbath to this day and we keep it holy to acknowledge Him as our Creator every seventh day. Could it be this is why Satan inspired Darwin with evolution? I believe so because evolution allows you to hide the fact you were created and in so doing removes your requirement to acknowledge Him as Lord which would mean you need to and obey Him since He truly would know what’s best for you seeing how it is He that made you.

You're so silly.

Executioner said:
I belive in this, somehow this should be posted to debates whenever Atheist states on believing in science.

Refer to my rebuttal above please.

Executioner · Oct 27, 2013

Cann!bal said:
You're making a straw man argument fallacy. If you were to ask an evolutionist how they date fossils, they would answer by carbon dating, not by the depth of the layers. Carbon dating is a method in which one measures the amount of carbon-14 left. Hence, it is not circular reasoning. Whoever told you the contrary is not a reliable source.

You a made plethora fallacies, specifically straw man fallacies.

"they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that’s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created?"

How is believing that apes eventually turned into humans through the process of natural selection more ridiculous than a talking snake and an apple being the reason of the downfall of the human race?

It takes millennias upon millennias for such significant change to occur. 6000 years is not extensive enough for an entirely new type of species to forthcome.

"Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard."

"If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago? After all, if life is as they define it to be, then it must be a constant evolutionary process for life to continue, which means that evolutionary process be never ending."

Evolution did not stop after 6000 years. The average height is much higher than it was just 2000 years ago, as well as the average lifespan has drastically increased. We can observe insects becoming immune to pesticides in a matter of a decade due to their reproduction rate. Evolution has not stopped in the slightest.

"Some have claimed that mutations are evolution because of some moth that changed its color years ago. Real scientists discovered that the moth changed its color because of its environment. In other words, if just changing its color means they evolved, then that must mean that every time I work in the garden and get a tan I’m actually evolving?"

No, you're tan is not genetic.

You're so silly.

Refer to my rebuttal above please.

It looks like you just explained how things were made and how they are observed.

Everything is matter right? Water,Trees, Plants and etc. What the guy tried to explain is if theres no God then there would be nothing... What you are saying is a Fallacy, specifically Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam, You do not see God, therefore you dont believe, now if you say that I am supporting the Ignorance Fallacy, how will we explain the creations around us, if science did, how did science lived before the creation of the universe? and what if extraterrestrials did it? the same question pops on how did they live before the universe? Therefore there is God, a God where we can't explain it yet just until we die.

Cann!bal · Oct 27, 2013

Executioner said:
It looks like you just explained how things were made and how they are observed.

Everything is matter right? Water,Trees, Plants and etc. What the guy tried to explain is if theres no God then there would be nothing... What you are saying is a Fallacy, specifically Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam, You do not see God, therefore you dont believe, now if you say that I am supporting the Ignorance Fallacy, how will we explain the creations around us, if science did, how did science lived before the creation of the universe? and what if extraterrestrials did it? the same question pops on how did they live before the universe? Therefore there is God, a God where we can't explain it yet just until we die.

I didn't explain how things were made, evolution is not a creation theory.

I'm not expressing an argument from ignorance. You're the one who doesn't know if the claim you make is true. You have no way of proving or knowing that if a universe is godless, its result is nothing. I am the rejector of that claim due to lack of evidence of your claim. Hence, you're expressing an argument from ignorance, not me. Science can explain anything. Science is not a physical object, it's a method created by humans to explain everything.

You could label the extraterrestrials as the creators of absolutely everything, eternal, they exist outside of time and the universe to refute the ideology of how they could have existed before the universe. Sound familiar?

Executioner · Oct 27, 2013

Cann!bal said:
I didn't explain how things were made, evolution is not a creation theory.

I'm not expressing an argument from ignorance. You're the one who doesn't know if the claim you make is true. You have no way of proving or knowing that if a universe is godless, its result is nothing. I am the rejector of that claim due to lack of evidence of your claim. Hence, you're expressing an argument from ignorance, not me. Science can explain anything. Science is not a physical object, it's a method created by humans to explain everything.

You could label the extraterrestrials as the creators of absolutely everything, eternal, they exist outside of time and the universe to refute the ideology of how they could have existed before the universe. Sound familiar?

Alright, you just did, you're expresing(not saying) that there is no God to belive in, and now you are telling me that ther is "no claim" on the creation theory, hence it is true that no one lived to tell the tale, but to my extent I believe that something has made us, it is not a method but it is a fact that lacks evidence on how the whole ideology was created, I'm not saying that the bible is real therefore we should or should not believe on it, but it's basically an anicent scripture that provides significant events thousands of years ago, people are melting just to find the justified answer to our creation, and in the end people would just cry begging for forgiveness on what they did not believe when they were still in Earth... Aethiesm just doesn't make sense.

Nevermind · Oct 27, 2013

Executioner said:
Alright, you just did, you're expresing(not saying) that there is no God to belive in, and now you are telling me that ther is "no claim" on the creation theory, hence it is true that no one lived to tell the tale, but to my extent I believe that something has made us, it is not a method but it is a fact that lacks evidence on how the whole ideology was created, I'm not saying that the bible is real therefore we should or should not believe on it, but it's basically an anicent scripture that provides significant events thousands of years ago, people are melting just to find the justified answer to our creation, and in the end people would just cry begging for forgiveness on what they did not believe when they were still in Earth... Aethiesm just doesn't make sense.

You just said Atheism makes no sense, yet in the same post where you say that God is a "fact that lacks evidence." I think this debate is over for you.

Executioner · Oct 27, 2013

Leader said:
You just said Atheism makes no sense, yet in the same post where you say that God is a "fact that lacks evidence." I think this debate is over for you.

It does lack evidence for us, but I dint not say I don't belive in God, well I just giggled a bit from your post... my idea can relate to this sentence:

There is cancer, but we cannot cure it yet, so therefore we must conuct a study and research on how we are to able to cure it.

So nonetheless, there is God, but in order to prove we must conduct a study and research on how the whole equilibrium was made.

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