Is God Real?

[Comet]

Most Christians don't even read the bible. lol, no way you're going to get a non-believer to do it.

@Comet... just because there's no facts doesn't mean it can't be real/true.

I don't put my beliefs into something with no factual evidence. I'm a reasonable guy, given facts, the choice would be much harder.

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No. God does not exist. Case closed.

The irony.

 

[Cann!bal]

Gandhi read the Bible daily and he wasn't Christian.

Your point? Anyways, I know for a fact Gandhi studied several religious texts. He most likely studied them to gain better perspectives and viewpoints of others.

Living on Earth is a test, if you will, to see if we love God. If we choose in the end to be with Him, we go to Heaven. If we choose to ignore him, we go to Hell. We choose where we go in the end. If someone hates God or is a hardcore atheists who hates all things moral, they will not choose to be with God after death. That's the response to those who say "why would an all-loving God send His people to Hell"... He doesn't. We choose our fate in the end.

But he's all loving, why would he punish us with a punishment so cruel and torturous as Hell? It doesn't make sense. Only reason people believed this stuff was because folklore was appeared more non-fictional to them, and they taught their children to believe what they said.

The story of Adam and Eve... when we were tempted, we tried to be like God, and became a fallen race.

Oh yes, the story where a talking snake convinces Eve to eat an apple from an apple tree which God told them not to eat from. That's why we're a fallen race. Sounds like primitive folklore to me.

Plus, you believe in Evolution, so how could have this story have been true in the first place?

Catholic monks copied meticulously all ancient literature so we have it today. Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Handel, and many others composed their greatest masterpieces for the Catholic Mass or other Christian worship.

Many, many scientists were Christian, such as Copernicus, Galileo, Descartes, Pascal, Kepler, Newton, Pasteur, the list goes on.

Perhaps many of the famous people of History were Christian because anyone who spoke against the church's beliefs or God was declared a heretic and a menace to society, and were murdered. Just a thought why.

If non-believers were given the freedom to inquire earlier on, we would be more(maybe slightly or a lot, but definitely more)advanced because their religious beliefs wouldn't interfere with their ideas, thoughts, theories, philosophies, etc. And the only ones with access to a vast amount education, knowledge and so on were the wealthy religious people which made this even more difficult.

Science and God are not opposites. Give me a scientific fact and I will show you how it fits in to religion, specifically Christianity.

Science is based on evidence while God and religion is based on blind faith. They're opposites.

Evolution.

I know several people who were atheists and as an adult became religious.

Science still cannot explain how life began. Yes, big bang, blah blah... but how did dead blobs of matter gain intelligence, and then sentience? You can't get that through evolution. The changes of a rock evolving into a plant which will then evolve into a human billions of years from now is pretty slim. I am a theistic evolutionist, meaning I believe in the big bang as well as evolution, but something had to add the spark of life and intelligence.

Yeah, and I know many people who were religious and then became Atheists.

Watch this, it should give you some insight on the origins of life from a scientific perspective , plus it's sort of entertaining to watch:

Spoiler

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVnAYDdM1iM[/video]

 

[Paul H.]

Your point? Anyways, I know for a fact Gandhi studied several religious texts. He most likely studied them to gain better perspectives and viewpoints of others.

He said he would have became a Christian had he ever met a true one.

But he's all loving, why would he punish us with a punishment so cruel and torturous as Hell? It doesn't make sense. Only reason people believed this stuff was because folklore was appeared more non-fictional to them, and they taught their children to believe what they said.

In Catholic theology at least, God doesn't punish us, we choose Hell ourselves out of hatred for God.

Oh yes, the story where a talking snake convinces Eve to eat an apple from an apple tree which God told them not to eat from. That's why we're a fallen race. Sounds like primitive folklore to me.

Plus, you believe in Evolution, so how could have this story have been true in the first place?

Only extreme denominations take the creation story as literal. I think it was more symbolic. The word used for "day" in the original language actually means "era" or "period of time" so the whole literal creation in seven days isn't even what the original text said. All that the Catholic church requires to be believed is that the human race came from two original humans who disobeyed God, IIRC.

Perhaps many of the famous people of History were Christian because anyone who spoke against the church's beliefs or God was declared a heretic and a menace to society, and were murdered. Just a thought why.

Not all people in the Church are perfect. No one is. Misinterpretations are bound to happen.

If non-believers were given the freedom to inquire earlier on, we would be more(maybe slightly or a lot, but definitely more)advanced because their religious beliefs wouldn't interfere with their ideas, thoughts, theories, philosophies, etc. And the only ones with access to a vast amount education, knowledge and so on were the wealthy religious people which made this even more difficult.

Science is based on evidence while God and religion is based on blind faith. They're opposites.

There is hard evidence for the existence of a divine being, check out the Summa Theologica's five proofs of God. Also see my comment below.

Watch this, it should give you some insight on the origins of life from a scientific perspective , plus it's sort of entertaining to watch:

Spoiler

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVnAYDdM1iM[/video]

Once again, anything scientific I will believe There just aren't any scientific facts that contradict my faith.

 

[Cann!bal]

In Catholic theology at least, God doesn't punish us, we choose Hell ourselves out of hatred for God.

God is antecedent, he was here before anything that has ever existed. With that said, it means he also created everything, including punishment and Hell. He is supposedly the creator of those concepts, so how could he not be held responsible for us being punished in some way? He allows us to be burned for eternity in Hell for not believing in him which just contradicts with the Bible when he describes himself as all-loving.

I'm not choosing Hell out of hatred to God, I'm choosing science and logic due to the immense amount of lacking evidence of God.

Only extreme denominations take the creation story as literal. I think it was more symbolic. The word used for "day" in the original language actually means "era" or "period of time" so the whole literal creation in seven days isn't even what the original text said. All that the Catholic church requires to be believed is that the human race came from two original humans who disobeyed God, IIRC.

So it says it was created in seven periods of time, and on the the 7th period of time he rested, just like how Jews rest on the Sabbath, Sunday which is the 7th day of the week. 7 periods of time. 7 days.

It's in the Bible, and the Bible is God's word according to your beliefs. Why would God lie, and not tell us this was a symbolic story and wasn't really true?

There is hard evidence for the existence of a divine being, check out the Summa Theologica's five proofs of God. Also see my comment below.

I wouldn't consider this hard evidence, it makes a decent argument but a even better counter-argument can be made.

I can make a counter-argument if necessary, it's just that the Summa Theologica is long, and would require a lot for time and diligence making the counter-argument.

Once again, anything scientific I will believe There just aren't any scientific facts that contradict my faith.

The Bible shows a timeline that only expands over 6,000 years which is from the creation of everything to the status quo. There is a vast amount of scientific evidence that shows the Earth is over 4.5 billion years old.

There are many scientific facts that contradict your faith and religious beliefs, I believe you're just not aware of them.

 

[Paul H.]

God is antecedent, he was here before anything that has ever existed. With that said, it means he also created everything, including punishment and Hell. He is supposedly the creator of those concepts, so how could he not be held responsible for us being punished in some way? He allows us to be burned for eternity in Hell for not believing in him which just contradicts with the Bible when he describes himself as all-loving.

I'm not choosing Hell out of hatred to God, I'm choosing science and logic due to the immense amount of lacking evidence of God.


So it says it was created in seven periods of time, and on the the 7th period of time he rested, just like how Jews rest on the Sabbath, Sunday which is the 7th day of the week. 7 periods of time. 7 days.

It's in the Bible, and the Bible is God's word according to your beliefs. Why would God lie, and not tell us this was a symbolic story and wasn't really true?

It never says you have to take it 100% literally. Jesus spoke in parables many times.

I wouldn't consider this hard evidence, it makes a decent argument but a even better counter-argument can be made.

I can make a counter-argument if necessary, it's just that the Summa Theologica is long, and would require a lot for time and diligence making the counter-argument.

The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.

Just do that part then for now.

The Bible shows a timeline that only expands over 6,000 years which is from the creation of everything to the status quo. There is a vast amount of scientific evidence that shows the Earth is over 4.5 billion years old.

There are many scientific facts that contradict your faith and religious beliefs, I believe you're just not aware of them.

I'm completely aware, but as I said before the creation story is permitted to be taken as symbolic.

 

[Zak]

Yeah, I believe in God. Although the thing of how he created the Earth, I don't believe it. It is just so much more logical for the Big Bang (which was actually a small bang ) to have created the Earth etc. That does not mean I don't believe in God, it just means my belief goes to a certain extent, such as I believe that God is real, I will go to Heaven when I do eventually die, there is a Heaven and a Hell, Satan, Jesus. Stuff like that I believe, but as I stated the whole him creating the Earth is something I don't believe.

 

[Cann!bal]

The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.

This article covers it: http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Cosmological_Argument

Too much homework that I should be doing to address it myself at the time.

It never says you have to take it 100% literally. Jesus spoke in parables many times.

It never says it was suppose to be taken literally either, so the Bible implied one of them. And it still doesn't say it was symbolic, so how can you say it's suppose to be looked at symbolically? Christians created that excuse, because they were proved wrong scientifically.

 

[Andy]

I agree, God isn't real because there is literally no proof what so ever.
Anyone know that group "God hates fags" well God actually mentions twice in the bible that he hates fags but God also says in the bible that he hates prawns and he mentioned that eight times in the bible.
That group (God hates fags) hasn't made a group about how much they hate prawns.
Why?
Kind of off topic to what you guys are talking about, But I'm curious about this.

 

[Chronos]

I can't say God isn't real, because we don't know. However, because we don't have a definite answer, probability is the next best thing. What's more probable, an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being created man, took a rib an created women, who was tricked by an evil snake into eating an apple, etc. etc. all the way to now, or we simply evolved as beings (where evolution is a proven theory).

 

[Cann!bal]

I can't say God isn't real, because we don't know. However, because we don't have a definite answer, probability is the next best thing. What's more probable, an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being created man, took a rib an created women, who was tricked by an evil snake into eating an apple, etc. etc. all the way to now, or we simply evolved as beings (where evolution is a proven theory).

We can't prove God exists, because God is unfalsifiable and that concept put into religion makes religion so ideal. That's why faith having faith in God or any God(s) is just silly, because that logic can be applied to any God(s) no matter how ridiculous they are.

I recommend everyone to watch this video, it'll provide more insight on this topic.
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0[/video]

 

[Cesar]

longest running debate? geez Cannibal... got one goin here

moral of the story, God exists! some will never believe that.
love u guys.

 

[Cann!bal]

longest running debate? geez Cannibal... got one goin here

moral of the story, God exists! some will never believe that.
love u guys.

Mind explaining why you believe in God with detail, Cesar?

 

[Cesar]

first off, before I defend my side. what do you think?

 

[Andy]

first off, before I defend my side. what do you think?

I generally don't think God is real. What are your thoughts?

 

[Cesar]

I generally don't think God is real. What are your thoughts?

what I want to know is, what makes you think that?

 

[TehStickle]

God is antecedent, he was here before anything that has ever existed. With that said, it means he also created everything, including punishment and Hell. He is supposedly the creator of those concepts, so how could he not be held responsible for us being punished in some way? He allows us to be burned for eternity in Hell for not believing in him which just contradicts with the Bible when he describes himself as all-loving.

You are forgetting about the devil. He has some power too. He is the one who created sin and hell and all of the bad stuff, not God.

 

[Andy]

what I want to know is, what makes you think that?

Well, To be honest there is no proof that God ever existed. Also when people "praise" God for all the things he has done for us, people don't think of the bad things what god has caused as well, Things like death,Child molestation and natural disasters. I think at least half of the community that believe in God only believe in God because everybody around them does. I think that the bible is 50% made up.
Watch this video if you don't believe in God, It will give you a laugh
[video=youtube]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo[/video]

 

[Hoe]

i feel exactly how yo do bro,

 

[Cesar]

Well, To be honest there is no proof that God ever existed. Also when people "praise" God for all the things he has done for us, people don't think of the bad things what god has caused as well, Things like death,Child molestation and natural disasters. I think at least half of the community that believe in God only believe in God because everybody around them does. I think that the bible is 50% made up.
Watch this video if you don't believe in God, It will give you a laugh

proof is all around you. now what interests me is the 50% thing you said.
I don't have time to watch videos right now lol... how is the bible 50% made up? I've never heard of this. explain more?

 

[Cann!bal]

first off, before I defend my side. what do you think?

I don't think there is a God. What more is there to say?

You are forgetting about the devil. He has some power too. He is the one who created sin and hell and all of the bad stuff, not God.

You aren't seeing what I was trying to say. God created everything including the devil. The devil technically didn't create anything.