Cole said:Most Christians don't even read the bible. lol, no way you're going to get a non-believer to do it.
@Comet... just because there's no facts doesn't mean it can't be real/true.
Godly. said:No. God does not exist. Case closed.
Paul H. said:Gandhi read the Bible daily and he wasn't Christian.
Living on Earth is a test, if you will, to see if we love God. If we choose in the end to be with Him, we go to Heaven. If we choose to ignore him, we go to Hell. We choose where we go in the end. If someone hates God or is a hardcore atheists who hates all things moral, they will not choose to be with God after death. That's the response to those who say "why would an all-loving God send His people to Hell"... He doesn't. We choose our fate in the end.
The story of Adam and Eve... when we were tempted, we tried to be like God, and became a fallen race.
Catholic monks copied meticulously all ancient literature so we have it today. Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Handel, and many others composed their greatest masterpieces for the Catholic Mass or other Christian worship.
Many, many scientists were Christian, such as Copernicus, Galileo, Descartes, Pascal, Kepler, Newton, Pasteur, the list goes on.
Science and God are not opposites. Give me a scientific fact and I will show you how it fits in to religion, specifically Christianity.
Paul H. said:I know several people who were atheists and as an adult became religious.
Science still cannot explain how life began. Yes, big bang, blah blah... but how did dead blobs of matter gain intelligence, and then sentience? You can't get that through evolution. The changes of a rock evolving into a plant which will then evolve into a human billions of years from now is pretty slim. I am a theistic evolutionist, meaning I believe in the big bang as well as evolution, but something had to add the spark of life and intelligence.
Cannibаl said:Your point? Anyways, I know for a fact Gandhi studied several religious texts. He most likely studied them to gain better perspectives and viewpoints of others.
Cannibаl said:But he's all loving, why would he punish us with a punishment so cruel and torturous as Hell? It doesn't make sense. Only reason people believed this stuff was because folklore was appeared more non-fictional to them, and they taught their children to believe what they said.
Cannibаl said:Oh yes, the story where a talking snake convinces Eve to eat an apple from an apple tree which God told them not to eat from. That's why we're a fallen race. Sounds like primitive folklore to me.
Plus, you believe in Evolution, so how could have this story have been true in the first place?
Cannibаl said:Perhaps many of the famous people of History were Christian because anyone who spoke against the church's beliefs or God was declared a heretic and a menace to society, and were murdered. Just a thought why.
Cannibаl said:If non-believers were given the freedom to inquire earlier on, we would be more(maybe slightly or a lot, but definitely more)advanced because their religious beliefs wouldn't interfere with their ideas, thoughts, theories, philosophies, etc. And the only ones with access to a vast amount education, knowledge and so on were the wealthy religious people which made this even more difficult.
Cannibаl said:Science is based on evidence while God and religion is based on blind faith. They're opposites.
Cannibаl said:Watch this, it should give you some insight on the origins of life from a scientific perspective , plus it's sort of entertaining to watch:[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVnAYDdM1iM[/video]
Paul H. said:In Catholic theology at least, God doesn't punish us, we choose Hell ourselves out of hatred for God.
Only extreme denominations take the creation story as literal. I think it was more symbolic. The word used for "day" in the original language actually means "era" or "period of time" so the whole literal creation in seven days isn't even what the original text said. All that the Catholic church requires to be believed is that the human race came from two original humans who disobeyed God, IIRC.
There is hard evidence for the existence of a divine being, check out the Summa Theologica's five proofs of God. Also see my comment below.
Once again, anything scientific I will believeThere just aren't any scientific facts that contradict my faith.
Cannibаl said:God is antecedent, he was here before anything that has ever existed. With that said, it means he also created everything, including punishment and Hell. He is supposedly the creator of those concepts, so how could he not be held responsible for us being punished in some way? He allows us to be burned for eternity in Hell for not believing in him which just contradicts with the Bible when he describes himself as all-loving.
I'm not choosing Hell out of hatred to God, I'm choosing science and logic due to the immense amount of lacking evidence of God.
So it says it was created in seven periods of time, and on the the 7th period of time he rested, just like how Jews rest on the Sabbath, Sunday which is the 7th day of the week. 7 periods of time. 7 days.
It's in the Bible, and the Bible is God's word according to your beliefs. Why would God lie, and not tell us this was a symbolic story and wasn't really true?
Cannibаl said:I wouldn't consider this hard evidence, it makes a decent argument but a even better counter-argument can be made.
I can make a counter-argument if necessary, it's just that the Summa Theologica is long, and would require a lot for time and diligence making the counter-argument.
The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.
Cannibаl said:The Bible shows a timeline that only expands over 6,000 years which is from the creation of everything to the status quo. There is a vast amount of scientific evidence that shows the Earth is over 4.5 billion years old.
There are many scientific facts that contradict your faith and religious beliefs, I believe you're just not aware of them.
Summa Thologica said:The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.
Paul H. said:It never says you have to take it 100% literally. Jesus spoke in parables many times.
Chronos said:I can't say God isn't real, because we don't know. However, because we don't have a definite answer, probability is the next best thing. What's more probable, an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being created man, took a rib an created women, who was tricked by an evil snake into eating an apple, etc. etc. all the way to now, or we simply evolved as beings (where evolution is a proven theory).
Cesar said:longest running debate? geez Cannibal... got one goin here
moral of the story, God exists! some will never believe that.
love u guys.
Cesar said:first off, before I defend my side. what do you think?
Optimus said:I generally don't think God is real. What are your thoughts?
Cannibаl said:God is antecedent, he was here before anything that has ever existed. With that said, it means he also created everything, including punishment and Hell. He is supposedly the creator of those concepts, so how could he not be held responsible for us being punished in some way? He allows us to be burned for eternity in Hell for not believing in him which just contradicts with the Bible when he describes himself as all-loving.
Cesar said:what I want to know is, what makes you think that?
Optimus said:Well, To be honest there is no proof that God ever existed. Also when people "praise" God for all the things he has done for us, people don't think of the bad things what god has caused as well, Things like death,Child molestation and natural disasters. I think at least half of the community that believe in God only believe in God because everybody around them does. I think that the bible is 50% made up.
Watch this video if you don't believe in God, It will give you a laugh
Cesar said:first off, before I defend my side. what do you think?
Tehstickle said:You are forgetting about the devil. He has some power too. He is the one who created sin and hell and all of the bad stuff, not God.
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