TE is stating that, he got a 2 month ban for trolling, and the admins came to a conclusion that 2 months is too long, so they unbanned him, it has nothing to do with the "scamming", He served his time for that, long before the new rule came in to ban scammers permanently.Multiply said:The Elite said:michaelkr1 said:How about for a nice democratic solution, @[The Elite] makes a poll for Carbon to be banned or stay unbanned? That way the members speak. No bias results. Just a simple poll. Because we all saw it, as much as it was denied, that Carbon was unbanned at the end of his original ban. Came back and acted like a massive twat then got banned again till September 2nd (I still remember the date on the bans page. Thanks to photographic memory). Then due to him being so loved by "higher up", he was unbanned. You can't get a more bias result than that. Let the people speak.
Yes, I'll make a poll to get a member because he trolls. So, let's ban all other members who troll AND who have had their ban ended early, that's about 20 other people. The thing is, many of you don't understand that when you do something to one, you must do it to everyone or it's counted as abuse. Carbon's ban was unfair actually since it was a 2month ban for trolling which is not worthy, hence why he was unbanned after a week. This is a democracy, but voting against someone is not democratic, it's stupid and ludicrious.
May I just ask out of interest, who else has had a ban ended early?
Multiply said:The Elite said:michaelkr1 said:How about for a nice democratic solution, @[The Elite] makes a poll for Carbon to be banned or stay unbanned? That way the members speak. No bias results. Just a simple poll. Because we all saw it, as much as it was denied, that Carbon was unbanned at the end of his original ban. Came back and acted like a massive twat then got banned again till September 2nd (I still remember the date on the bans page. Thanks to photographic memory). Then due to him being so loved by "higher up", he was unbanned. You can't get a more bias result than that. Let the people speak.
Yes, I'll make a poll to get a member because he trolls. So, let's ban all other members who troll AND who have had their ban ended early, that's about 20 other people. The thing is, many of you don't understand that when you do something to one, you must do it to everyone or it's counted as abuse. Carbon's ban was unfair actually since it was a 2month ban for trolling which is not worthy, hence why he was unbanned after a week. This is a democracy, but voting against someone is not democratic, it's stupid and ludicrious.
May I just ask out of interest, who else has had a ban ended early?
Iron Man said:Yeh, I dont even post here anymore and i know alot of others who dont.. Anything i post gets deleted now adays..
Iron Man said:Yeh, I dont even post here anymore and i know alot of others who dont.. Anything i post gets deleted now adays..
Ireppgold said:Iron Man said:Yeh, I dont even post here anymore and i know alot of others who dont.. Anything i post gets deleted now adays..
Yeh, ive noticed alot of old awesome members dont even come here anymore, I actually miss them lol.
The Elite said:Iron Man said:Yeh, I dont even post here anymore and i know alot of others who dont.. Anything i post gets deleted now adays..
And yet you haven't contacted me about it, so how is that our fault? Anyway, I decided to check out your statement's legitimacy, and most of your posts were flaming ADW.
Ireppgold said:Iron Man said:Yeh, I dont even post here anymore and i know alot of others who dont.. Anything i post gets deleted now adays..
Yeh, ive noticed alot of old awesome members dont even come here anymore, I actually miss them lol.
What do you want us to do about that? I really don't see any other ways to attract people to Rune Gear other than Google (from my part). Users need to tell their friends to join and or spread our links/banners in signatures and more.
Ireppgold said:The Elite said:Iron Man said:Yeh, I dont even post here anymore and i know alot of others who dont.. Anything i post gets deleted now adays..
And yet you haven't contacted me about it, so how is that our fault? Anyway, I decided to check out your statement's legitimacy, and most of your posts were flaming ADW.
Ireppgold said:Yeh, ive noticed alot of old awesome members dont even come here anymore, I actually miss them lol.
What do you want us to do about that? I really don't see any other ways to attract people to Rune Gear other than Google (from my part). Users need to tell their friends to join and or spread our links/banners in signatures and more.
Hey, don't make me look like a bad guy saying that I'm accusing you of pushing members away. Im just saying, people get butt-hurt a lot easier than others, and leave, and I miss those butt-hurt members.
michaelkr1 said:You are right. I have never run a forum. I don't think I would have the patience either. But I have had management skills where I have had to manage about 100 people in a workplace situation. I have also been in the postition of having to look after and manage 170 student who kept have there shitty little govenment laptop fail on them and I have to make decisions against my friends because they wanted my account so they could go on youtube and facebook. I had to say no to things like that.
More On-topic. It is not the fact that he trolls every once in a while as Carbon was so lightly referred to. But the fact that he scammed members of $1,000's of dollars and even $1,300 from one member alone, and then he comes back and trolls people with his shitty comments about "Y yOu SoOo FoaMY BrOO. YoU Just MAD CoZzzZZ I sCamMedD YeWWW" as if he is saying that what he did is acceptable and he got away with it. People who steal $1,300 from a corner shop would go to jail. He used his Staff tag to gain trust over members.
When other users come back, they appologize for what they did. I have seen a few appologies. He just immediately started trolling because he knew he got away with it.
You look at him as if we only want him banned because he trolls. We want him banned because of his past. People knew not to trade with him over at HF because of his past. He then got a second chance to scam people here because it was a "fresh start". Look what happened? He used his fresh start to con again.
And look at the amount of people who want scammers permanently banned in the other poll. Clearly they are not wanted on this forum. Past, present, or future scammers.
We as a group are not asking for much. We only ask for a chance for him to be brought to the stand once more and to let the jury decide his fate.
Feel free to read this: http://www.belcherfoundation.org/standing_up_to_autocracy.htm
/endrant
michaelkr1 said:Full time job.. Do you think everyone is 35 here? By the average age here, I wouldn't be surprised if no one has a full-time job and those with a casual job, it would take them quite a few weeks to gather that amount of money.
The Elite said:New laws never apply to past cases unless extremely severe, sadly this is not the case. $1.3k may sound like a lot online, but it's around a weeks wage in a full-time job. From the looks of it, future scammers will be permanently banned
The Elite said:michaelkr1 said:Full time job.. Do you think everyone is 35 here? By the average age here, I wouldn't be surprised if no one has a full-time job and those with a casual job, it would take them quite a few weeks to gather that amount of money.
Maybe's dont count in this scenario, it has to be a 100% case. We can't judge situations like that, since someone may have $100K in their bank and others have $100.
Multiply said:The Elite said:New laws never apply to past cases unless extremely severe, sadly this is not the case. $1.3k may sound like a lot online, but it's around a weeks wage in a full-time job. From the looks of it, future scammers will be permanently banned
Edit: It was $1.6k.
Secondly, $1,600 is a HELL of a lot to someone who is 11 years old and gets $2 pocket money a week from his parents. Imagine losing that...
michaelkr1 said:The Elite said:michaelkr1 said:Full time job.. Do you think everyone is 35 here? By the average age here, I wouldn't be surprised if no one has a full-time job and those with a casual job, it would take them quite a few weeks to gather that amount of money.
Maybe's dont count in this scenario, it has to be a 100% case. We can't judge situations like that, since someone may have $100K in their bank and others have $100.
Multiply said:The Elite said:New laws never apply to past cases unless extremely severe, sadly this is not the case. $1.3k may sound like a lot online, but it's around a weeks wage in a full-time job. From the looks of it, future scammers will be permanently banned
Edit: It was $1.6k.
Secondly, $1,600 is a HELL of a lot to someone who is 11 years old and gets $2 pocket money a week from his parents. Imagine losing that...
I think that settles my statement. Stop only looking at users who you feel have money to lose and start looking at other who get scammed their birthday money and the $5/week pocket money saved up for a long time.
Multiply said:The Elite said:New laws never apply to past cases unless extremely severe, sadly this is not the case. $1.3k may sound like a lot online, but it's around a weeks wage in a full-time job. From the looks of it, future scammers will be permanently banned
Edit: It was $1.6k.
Secondly, $1,600 is a HELL of a lot to someone who is 11 years old and gets $2 pocket money a week from his parents. Imagine losing that...
The Elite said:michaelkr1 said:The Elite said:Maybe's dont count in this scenario, it has to be a 100% case. We can't judge situations like that, since someone may have $100K in their bank and others have $100.
Multiply said:Edit: It was $1.3k.
Secondly, $1,300 is a HELL of a lot to someone who is 11 years old and gets $2 pocket money a week from his parents. Imagine losing that...
I think that settles my statement. Stop only looking at users who you feel have money to lose and start looking at other who get scammed their birthday money and the $5/week pocket money saved up for a long time.
So you're telling me someone that gets $2/week spent $1.3k online for gold in a game? You don't understand michael, and I don't think you will. Our policy was a 3 month ban for scamming, which was applied to him. Therefore, it's a 3 month ban. I don't care what anyone thinks of this scenario, since if he gets a permanent ban, everyone else will. I can't believe I'm repeating myself.
Multiply said:The Elite said:michaelkr1 said:I think that settles my statement. Stop only looking at users who you feel have money to lose and start looking at other who get scammed their birthday money and the $5/week pocket money saved up for a long time.
So you're telling me someone that gets $2/week spent $1.3k online for gold in a game? You don't understand michael, and I don't think you will. Our policy was a 3 month ban for scamming, which was applied to him. Therefore, it's a 3 month ban. I don't care what anyone thinks of this scenario, since if he gets a permanent ban, everyone else will. I can't believe I'm repeating myself.
Get the facts right first. I sold 1.6bil for the $. I didn't spend a single $ on RSGP for myself.
Multiply said:Wow...
I don't want to say too much about my own opinion, but seriously, Management, look what people are saying..
They are comparing this simple forum about a shitty java game to WW2 and the Nazi regime... something must be going a bit wrong? People are begging to have the chance to vote, the chance to sign a petition, the chance to do anything they can.
These members who are complaining haven't just joined RuneGear, nor have they just been lurking. They have been trying their hardest to push forward RuneGear over the months. Some have thousands of posts, they have hosted contests, they write articles, they bring activity to the marketplace, they run groups. They are the heart of RuneGear. You must listen to your heart.
@[The Elite] @[Dykerosoft] @[Mike]
If staff weren't biased people would be banned/limited/warned for trolling, no matter how small it is.The Elite said:Yes, I'll make a poll to get a member because he trolls. So, let's ban all other members who troll AND who have had their ban ended early, that's about 20 other people. The thing is, many of you don't understand that when you do something to one, you must do it to everyone or it's counted as abuse. Carbon's ban was unfair actually since it was a 2month ban for trolling which is not worthy, hence why he was unbanned after a week. This is a democracy, but voting against someone is not democratic, it's stupid and ludicrious.
The Elite said:I can compare your post to Rebecca Black's Friday video. All of a sudden, something must be wrong with your post.
I'm sick of everyone saying, "Listen to your members", since the fact is, everyone who posts that has never run/managed a forum. To begin with, you can't listen to everyone, especially 5k+ members. Furthermore, you need to be assertive, you can't satisfy every single one of their (unecessary sometimes) needs.
Not to be rude or hate the community, but when one member leaves, it's not a permanenet thing, another member comes back. Same with Rune Gear, if RG goes away, there's another forum for others to go to.
michaelkr1 said:You are right. I have never run a forum. I don't think I would have the patience either. But I have had management skills where I have had to manage about 100 people in a workplace situation. I have also been in the postition of having to look after and manage 170 student who kept have there shitty little govenment laptop fail on them and I have to make decisions against my friends because they wanted my account so they could go on youtube and facebook. I had to say no to things like that.
More On-topic. It is not the fact that he trolls every once in a while as Carbon was so lightly referred to. But the fact that he scammed members of $1,000's of dollars and even $1,300 from one member alone, and then he comes back and trolls people with his shitty comments about "Y yOu SoOo FoaMY BrOO. YoU Just MAD CoZzzZZ I sCamMedD YeWWW" as if he is saying that what he did is acceptable and he got away with it. People who steal $1,300 from a corner shop would go to jail. He used his Staff tag to gain trust over members.
When other users come back, they appologize for what they did. I have seen a few appologies. He just immediately started trolling because he knew he got away with it.
You look at him as if we only want him banned because he trolls. We want him banned because of his past. People knew not to trade with him over at HF because of his past. He then got a second chance to scam people here because it was a "fresh start". Look what happened? He used his fresh start to con again.
And look at the amount of people who want scammers permanently banned in the other poll. Clearly they are not wanted on this forum. Past, present, or future scammers.
We as a group are not asking for much. We only ask for a chance for him to be brought to the stand once more and to let the jury decide his fate.
Feel free to read this: http://www.belcherfoundation.org/standing_up_to_autocracy.htm
/endrant
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