1. There is no valid proof of God.
a. If we had scientific proof of a God's existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions. So why doesn't God just prove he exists?
2. Religious scriptures are full of mythology and folklore.
a. Including the Bible and Qur'an.
3. Prayer has statistically been proven to not help.
4. God has never spoken to modern man.
5. The concept of a God is illogical and irrational.
6. All religious scriptures are unreliable sources of proof and evidence for beliefs.
7. The Bible has a timeline that's only 6000 years old which expands from the creation of the Earth and Sun to the status quo.
a. There is an immense amount of evidence that shows the Earth and Sun are older than this.
8. The concept of an afterlife is illogical and irrational.
9. There are hundreds of contradictions in religious scriptures.
a. These contradictions show supporting evidence that holy scripture such as the Qur'an, Torah, and Bible were created by primitive men and not prophets.
10. Miracles allegedly made by God are just coincidences.
a. No miracle has been prove.
11. Religion is superstition.
12. When the massacre of the innocents occurred, no one cared to write down that all male children in the vicinity of Bethlehem were brutally massacred.
13. The belief in a God is based on faith.
a. You can apply faith to any God no matter how outrageous or realistic they are.
14. All Gods are unfalsifiable.
15. Look at all the Gods you reject. What evidence makes your God the right God?
16. Religious scriptures put forward false facts as truth.
17. Noah's Ark is physically impossible.
a. It's impossible that the ark could hold 2 each of the millions of species that were already on Earth.
b. Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water.
c. Noah was 500+ years old.
18. God is evil.
a. Murdered millions of humans and billions of animals during the flood.
b. Supposedly all-loving yet he murders us, lets us suffer and die.
19. Religious scriptures are outdated.
20. There's no proof of any religious concepts such as souls, faith healing, prayer.
21. Omnipotence is a contradiction by itself.
22. Religious scriptures such as the Bible and Qur'an condone and or endorse rape, murder, war, slavery, sexism, homophobia, intolerance and more things that modern society would deem inappropriate.
23. Jesus' message makes no sense. His message basically is "I love you and will for all eternity. But if you don't worship me I will send you to Hell and you will experience a unimaginable amount of pain, agony and suffering, and you will burn for eternity."
24. God is too busy to show himself for 1 second to prove to us that he exists.
25. No omnipotent being would be so flawed and stupid.
Well, if you don't believe, just imagine all of that was true and you died, you'll go to hell, if you try to beleive and it would be maybe true, and you'll be welcome to heaven. Saints are a proof. Why am I saying all of that? I had a miracle.
Well, if you don't believe, just imagine all of that was true and you died, you'll go to hell, if you try to beleive and it would be maybe true, and you'll be welcome to heaven. Saints are a proof. Why am I saying all of that? I had a miracle.
All I have to do is believe in him then it'll come true? I rather not lose my dignity and believe in a fairytale. How are saints proof of anything? Miracles are coincidences.
All I have to do is believe in him then it'll come true? I rather not lose my dignity and believe in a fairytale. How are saints proof of anything? Miracles are coincidences.
Coincidence. Miracles are coincidences. Coincidences would still happen even if there were no God. That wouldn't prove God exists anyways, it's all superstition.
Coincidence. Miracles are coincidences. Coincidences would still happen even if there were no God. That wouldn't prove God exists anyways, it's all superstition.
I don't believe in god either. I'll have to support you on:
1. There is no proof of God.
a. If we had scientific proof of a God's existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions. So why doesn't God just prove he exists?
First off I totally respect your opinion and your beliefs. But I have to disagree.
1. There is no REAL proof of God but people have faith.
1a. No religions have proved anything (that I know of) but everybody has the right I believe what they want. Just like you believe that God isn't real. I believe He is because I have faith and I was raised believing in Him since I was a child.
2. The Bible is not full of mythology. Something's may not make sense but you don't know if things that happened in the Bible couldn't have happened way in the past. Times have changed since then.
2a. I'm not too sure about this statement.
3. Praying does EVERYTHING. I pray all the time and it works for me because I have faith. If you have faith anything can happen. If you weren't raised to believe in something it will e hard to be convinced of it when your older.
4. You are correct that God has not spoken to modern men. But he doesn't need to. He speaks to us through other people and through miracles. I was at the mall one day and when I walked to a bathroom a homeless man walked past me. I ignored him. But when I walked to the sink to was my hands he was walking out and stood at the door and murmured something to me. This was a long time ago and I don't remember the exact words but they were a sign from God. At that time I was in a bad place in my life and took those words and realized that God was speaking to me and I needed to change my path in life.
5. It might be illogical to you but not to many other people. What I'm telling you is "FAITH". It's all about faith.
6. The Bible is more than 2000 years old. The Old Testament was made in B.C.
8. It might be illogical to you but like I said faith.
9. What contradictions?
9a. That's incorrect.
9b. What does the Bible being outdated have to do with anything? It has more knowledge than any other book. It may be old but it's lasted more years than most other things. Cars don't last 2000+ years. Most things don't. But the Bible has.
10. I've had many miracles happen to me. And so have many other people. Do you even know what a miracle is?
11. A superstition is something your afraid of. Religion is made up of faith. You just have to believe.
12. You don't have any proof that this happened. That's a myth.
13. Your right it is. That's my whole point.
13a. That is true but that's the whole point of religion. All the religions say the same thing. Just in different ways.
14. I have no clue what that is. So no argument.
15. I don't reject other Gods. It's like having a favorite singer. Just because you don't like an other one that your friend likes doesn't mean they aren't real. There is only ONE God. He is omniscient.
16. It does not lol
17. It seems impossible. But it might just be a story that people told and they believed it.
18. What?! You make no sense. The devil is evil not God. God doesn't kill everybody. Everybody dies. Things might happen but God didn't kill them. Evil things happen to people but the person doing the act is evil, not God.
19. And your point is?
20. Just believe man. There doesn't have to be proof.
21. Your correct. He does have a plan for everybody. Including people who are evil. Everybody.
22. You are wrong. The Bible speaks about those things. It doesn't endorse it.
23. He does make sense. It doesn't make sense to you because you don't believe. And Jesus doesn't say that if you don't believe in him you will go to hell. Nobody has to believe in Him. Show me where He says that.
24. This is ridiculous. He shows us He exists all the time. Everyday. Every second.
25. Religion doesn't cause problems. Your making it a problem for yourself. I don't have any problem with religion. But it looks to me like you do.
26. That's sick.
Over all you have your opinion and I have mine. We will both disagree.
You were raised differently. Or maybe you just disagree with what you were taught. But I understand you dude. I was once at your point. I did not believe in the Bible. But I had things happen to be that made me believe. I had people who loved me very much and taught me well.
I'm not trying to preach I'm just expressing my opinions and arguments.
First off I totally respect your opinion and your beliefs. But I have to disagree.
1. There is no REAL proof of God but people have faith.
1a. No religions have proved anything (that I know of) but everybody has the right I believe what they want. Just like you believe that God isn't real. I believe He is because I have faith and I was raised believing in Him since I was a child.[/spoiler]
Yes, there is no proof of God. Faith can be applied to anything. For example: I have faith that leprechauns are real.
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2. The Bible is not full of mythology. Something's may not make sense but you don't know if things that happened in the Bible couldn't have happened way in the past. Times have changed since then.
3. Praying does EVERYTHING. I pray all the time and it works for me because I have faith. If you have faith anything can happen. If you weren't raised to believe in something it will e hard to be convinced of it when your older.
No silly, it does nothing. Statistically praying does nothing.
Beats said:
4. You are correct that God has not spoken to modern men. But he doesn't need to. He speaks to us through other people and through miracles. I was at the mall one day and when I walked to a bathroom a homeless man walked past me. I ignored him. But when I walked to the sink to was my hands he was walking out and stood at the door and murmured something to me. This was a long time ago and I don't remember the exact words but they were a sign from God. At that time I was in a bad place in my life and took those words and realized that God was speaking to me and I needed to change my path in life.
Doesn't need to talk to modern man? If he did everyone would follow him and do as he says. Miracles are coincidences. Now you're just talking gibberish. I highly highly doubt God talked to you.
Beats said:
5. It might be illogical to you but not to many other people. What I'm telling you is "FAITH". It's all about faith.
Actually, yeah it is evidence that it was written by primitive men.
9b. What does the Bible being outdated have to do with anything? It has more knowledge than any other book. It may be old but it's lasted more years than most other things. Cars don't last 2000+ years. Most things don't. But the Bible has.
The Bible talks about oxen and how they should be treated for farm use, wouldn't God the creator of the Bible and the universe know that we would stop using oxen for farming, why doesn't he talk about the future. He's supposedly omniscient and omnipotent, so why didn't he include stuff about how to behave and how to treat certain things in the future. My point might be a little hard to understand.
10. I've had many miracles happen to me. And so have many other people. Do you even know what a miracle is?
Let's say that you were to create a far-flung news network, and you somehow had the capacity to observe all of the inexplicable tragedy that occurs on Earth each day:
all of the murders,
all of the car wrecks
all of the rapes
all of the mutilations
all of the torture
all the miscarriages and stillbirths
all of the disease
all of the starvation
all of the destruction
all of the terrorism
Let's say you had a news feed that delivered this all to you in real time.
Just ten minutes with this news feed would be unbearable. Thousands of tragic, heartwrenching events would impinge themselves upon you every minute. It would make you vomit over and over and over again until you passed out in exhaustion and despair.
In other words, the amount of gut-wrenching, anguished tragedy in our world is unspeakable.
Meanwhile, there is a housewife in Pasadena who firmly believes that God answered her prayer this morning to remove the mustard stain from her favorite blouse. She prayed to God to help with the stain, and after she washed it the stain was gone. Praise Jesus! There are tens of millions of people in the United States who firmly believe that God is personally helping them each day with their trivial prayers like this. They believe that they have a personal relationship with God, that God hears their prayers each day, and that God has time to reach down and remove the mustard molecules one by one. They believe it with all of their hearts.
It makes you wonder: If God has the time and the will to answer these trivial prayers, then why does he have no time for the millions of other massively serious problems that arise on earth every day?
Simply look at the world we live in. All around us we have murderers, rapists, robbers, child molesters, terrorists, etc... How do they do their deeds? If God is all-knowing and God answers prayers, then we have to believe that:
God watches them as they murder, rape, molest and terrorize other people millions of times a day, but he does nothing to stop them.
God watches the victims as they are being murdered, raped, molested and terrorized, but he does nothing to help them.
God completely ignores the prayers of the planet to eliminate murder, rape, child molestation and terrorism and allows these atrocities to continue unabated.
According to the Standard Model of God, God is an omniscient, all-powerful, all-loving being who answers prayers. Imagine God sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven looking down upon Earth, seeing every detail. God speaks:
"Look at all of those praying people getting tortured in that death camp. Excellent! I won't do anything to stop that. And look at that little girl down there being raped and murdered. Perfect! She is praying like mad, and so is her mother, but I won't do anything to stop that. And there are three terrorists preparing to blow up a church and kill 1,500 people who are saying the Lord's Prayer to me right now. Outstanding! I won't do anything to stop that. How wonderful it is that 1,000 prayerful people will die of starvation today in Ethiopia. I love it! I won't do anything to stop that. Oh… and there's little Suzy Jankins praying that I remove that pimple from her nose for her big date with Chad tomorrow. Let me go help Suzy right now…"
Do you believe in a God who acts like this? Of course not. If you believe that God is specifically reaching down from heaven to answer your trivial prayer to remove a zit or to wash out a mustard stain or to help you find your lost keys, while at the same time God is allowing 27,000 children to die of starvation each day by specifically ignoring their prayers, then your God is insane. Look at Proof #6 and Proof #22 to see just how insane your god is.
If you are a typical Christian, however, you are just like our Pasadena housewife. You say dozens of little prayers every day. You may pray for 20 trivial things today:
Pray for your car to start in the morning.
Pray for traffic to be light so you get to work on time.
Pray that you don't get fired for the mistake you made yesterday.
Pray that the coffee stain on your purse comes out.
Pray that it doesn't rain.
Pray that the price of a stock has gone up.
Pray that your computer doesn't crash.
Pray that your son got a decent grade on his math test.
Pray that there's enough money in your checking account.
Pray that the guy you went out with on Saturday calls you.
Pray that your mother in law cancels her trip for the weekend.
Pray for there to be an available washing machine at the Laundromat when you get there.
Pray that your car passes inspection.
Pray that they have your size in the shoes you are thinking about buying at the mall.
Pray that the envelope you are opening contains a check rather than a bill.
Pray that your cat didn't pee on the new sofa.
Pray for your baby not to wake you up tonight screaming so you can get some sleep.
Pray that you have the winning bid for that camera on EBay.
Pray that they have the video you want at the video store tonight.
Pray that your team wins the game on Sunday.
What happens? Some of your prayers would get "answered," some would not. If you are a believer, you handle each little prayer in the following way:
If something nice happens, you attribute that to God -- he answered your prayer and is "looking out" for you.
If you pray for something and it does not happen, or if something bad happens, you rationalize that it is part of "God's plan" . It is "his will" that this bad event happens.
In Proof #6 we demonstrated that God's Plan is ridiculous. So what is actually happening? An unbiased observer looks at the same good and bad events and sees them for what they are -- random events. God has nothing to do with them. To an unbiased observer, it is obvious that religion is nothing but superstition.
If you are a believer, you can prove to yourself that they are random events. Tomorrow, instead of praying about everything, simply watch 20 trivial things happen without praying. Some will work out, some will not. There will be no difference. The act of praying about them does not change the outcome in any way. If you were to statistically analyze your prayers, it would become obvious to you that every "answered prayer" is a coincidence.
The belief in prayer is just like any superstition. Walking under a ladder is not "bad luck". Neither is breaking a mirror. Neither is seeing a black cat. Statistics prove that a broken mirror has zero effect on your life. In the same way, statistics prove that God never answers prayers.
The dictionary defines the word "superstition" in this way:
An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome. [ref]
Prayer is rank superstition, nothing more. People who believe in the power of prayer are no different than people who believe in the power of crystal balls, horoscopes or lucky rabbits feet. Prayer is scientifically proven to be meaningless.
The reason why there is so much suffering in this world, and the reason why a statistical analysis of your trivial prayers always shows them to be complete coincidences, is because God is imaginary. The belief in God is pure superstition.
12. You don't have any proof that this happened. That's a myth.
You don't have any proof of God. And it was written in the Bible that the massacre of the innocents happened, but nobody from Bethlehem cared to write that all the babies in his village were brutally murdered by the authorities when they were searching for the baby Jesus.
What are you talking about? I said "14. All Gods are unfalsifiable." I know exactly what I'm talking about.
15. I don't reject other Gods. It's like having a favorite singer. Just because you don't like an other one that your friend likes doesn't mean they aren't real. There is only ONE God. He is omniscient.
It does mean they aren't real, God wants you to believe in one God and one God only and that's him. You can't believe that other Gods are possibly real. You must believe he is the only one. The first commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods."
Everything in the Bible is suppose to be true, it's God's word, why would God lie to us and say this is true?
18. What?! You make no sense. The devil is evil not God. God doesn't kill everybody. Everybody dies. Things might happen but God didn't kill them. Evil things happen to people but the person doing the act is evil, not God.
God is worse than the Devil if everything he did is true. God didn't commit genocide and murder all those innocent animals and people in the flood? God makes us sin and do evil things, look at number 21 again.
I was trying to say that God makes us sin, yet he says it's our fault for sinning even though he planned our lives for us. It's all a huge contradiction of bullcrap.
22. You are wrong. The Bible speaks about those things. It doesn't endorse it.
You obviously haven't read the Bible thoroughly enough.
23. He does make sense. It doesn't make sense to you because you don't believe. And Jesus doesn't say that if you don't believe in him you will go to hell. Nobody has to believe in Him. Show me where He says that.
Mark 3:29 "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
The Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father are all God. I don't believe in God. Then I don't believe in the Holy Spirit. I'm apparently going to Hell. This might be a little confusing to understand, just tell me if I need to explain it better.
24. This is ridiculous. He shows us He exists all the time. Everyday. Every second.
I can't believe you really just said religion doesn't cause problems. Possibly the most ignorant comment I have ever seen. The crusades, 9/11, movement against gay rights, their religious teachings have caused wars and deep hatred towards others, countless numbers of deaths towards innocent people. I'm the one with the problem for not believing in God, are you kidding me?
You were raised differently. Or maybe you just disagree with what you were taught. But I understand you dude. I was once at your point. I did not believe in the Bible. But I had things happen to be that made me believe.
My mother was a pastor and so were my two step-fathers. Religion and God have been very big influence in my life, but I did my research and came up with the conclusion that's it's absolutely impossible for God to be real.
I had people who loved me very much and taught me well.