How Moderators Are Managed...

[Greed]

You had a chance to prove yourself, and you blew it. Why should you get a second chance when post people haven't even received a first? I thought you were about being fair?

Gr33d, I hope you're not directing this to be about you because I see this as a small issue for future staff picks...

I'm in no way doing that, I was just discussing something with a certain, powerful, member and we agreed that I should make a thread on this, I was just using that as an example, and whether or not someone gets a chance in Envious should be put up to a vote by all staff members.

 

[Jimmy]

Please stay on-topic. Gr33d's point is that Envious isn't the way. He never said that the Group is bad. We all know that the final decision lies on Philly. But what Gr33d means is, it shouldn't always be the Admins. Also, Envious isn't always the way like Paul H. said. I joined Envious to became a MOD but never got the position.

 

[Greed]

You had a chance to prove yourself, and you blew it. Why should you get a second chance when post people haven't even received a first? I thought you were about being fair?

Gr33d, I hope you're not directing this to be about you because I see this as a small issue for future staff picks...

Also, the people that say you did a good job are the same ones that don't have access to the moderator logs, the staff chat, and the mod cp to see what's really going on. You can't base how well you are doing as a staff member off of that.

Actually many of them did have access, I just, once again, made the fatal mistake of giving out someone's TeamViewer information, which is definitely against the rules. but anyway the point of the thread is in no way towards me, I was just using that as an example.

 

[Mxlitary]

I'm in no way doing that, I was just discussing something with a certain, powerful, member and we agreed that I should make a thread on this, I was just using that as an example, and whether or not someone gets a chance in Envious should be put up to a vote by all staff members.

Yeah, why don't you go convince Christy of this idea? It's honestly not bad, but it's your idea.

 

[Greed]

Please stay on-topic. Gr33d's point is that Envious isn't the way. He never said that the Group is bad. We all know that the final decision lies on Philly. But what Gr33d means is, it shouldn't always be the Admins. Also, Envious isn't always the way like Paul H. said. I joined Envious to became a MOD but never got the position.

Yeah exactly, thanks for that, people are talking about other, off-topic, stuff that even got me off-topic for a little bit there.

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Yeah, why don't you go convince Christy of this idea? It's honestly not bad, but it's your idea.

No one is stopping her from viewing this thread, but what if she didn't like it since it wasn't her idea? Then it would never be used, even if many other people liked it, including staff members and possibly other admins, just like the selection process for mods and Envious members.

 

[Mxlitary]

Please stay on-topic. Gr33d's point is that Envious isn't the way. He never said that the Group is bad. We all know that the final decision lies on Philly. But what Gr33d means is, it shouldn't always be the Admins. Also, Envious isn't always the way like Paul H. said. I joined Envious to became a MOD but never got the position.

Sorry, but we have stayed pretty well on topic in my opinion. A thread is like a tree silly Jimmy.

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Yeah exactly, thanks for that, people are talking about other, off-topic, stuff that even got me off-topic for a little bit there.

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No one is stopping her from viewing this thread, but what if she didn't like it since it wasn't her idea? Then it would never be used, even if many other people liked it, including staff members and possibly other admins, just like the selection process for mods and Envious members.

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You'll never know until you ask. If you refuse to at least ask, then this whole thread would be pointless.

 

[Greed]

Sorry, but we have stayed pretty well on topic in my opinion. A thread is like a tree silly Jimmy.

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You'll never know until you ask. If you refuse to at least ask, then this whole thread would be pointless.

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I mean she may have already seen the thread, idk.

 

[Shadow]

Okay, I'm trying to stay out of this whole drama about recent staff picks, but I think someone has to say something because I'm tired of all the bashing going towards staff.

So on that note, what do you all think we do in Envious anyways? Obviously you haven't read the Envious Information thread. If you did, you would've realized that that the members in the group are REQUIRED to learn the rules of FK. Having a group like Envious probably makes the forum better off. It gives possible future moderators a chance to learn what they are doing before they are even offered a moderator position. Do you think actually think mods are just promoted with no knowledge of the rules of FK? NO! That would be fucking retarded.

Also, You guys all complain about how moderators are chosen from a paid group. First, Paul H. was promoted to Admin recently. He had nothing to do with Envious! Second, Christy is an admin. Who the fuck else is going to be choosing admins? If she wants to direct her group towards helping to create a better staff team by training them first, then that's fantastic! Also, even though she owns the group that many of the recent moderators were chosen from, she still contacted Philly to okay all of us, and we all received a PM from Philly before we were promoted, so if you are trying to say we have a corrupt admin, then you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Also, stop with all this bullshit about how the staff team doesn't do shit. Dafuq are you talking about? You don't see the moderator logs, the mod cp, the staff chat, or anything else that the staff do behind the scenes. How the fuck are you just going to assume shit?

Only last thing directed towards Gr33d alone: There's already about one moderator per major section, and in my opinion, it's not the best thing. Sometimes, we have to wait all day for a moderator to take care of reports in their section because they had school or work when everyone else was just watching that person's reports all day wanting to do something about it. It's kind of a flawed system, but you wouldn't know that would you? You don't see any of the moderation we take care of. You're too busy complaining about the "shit job" we do. ._.

Also, I'm kinda tired and a little cranky. I'm sorry if I sound a harsh or mean, but a lot of this stuff shouldn't concern any of you if you don't break any rules anyways.

/rant over

Well actually i saw a post today in the appraisal section where kasteen said "This thread has been posted in the wrong section, it has now been closed." And like 5 minutes later Brenton said "Or how about you move it to the proper section instead of closing it." Half of the staff team doesn't do much but ban multi accounters and give out warnings or don't do anything at all. Philly should listen to what Quad has to say in all honesty.

Inb4flammedandcalledajealousfaggot

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Saying that Christy doesn't like you is like saying Philly doesn't like you. Obviously, you did something to make him or her dislike you, and that's not completely their fault.

You speak as if Christy doesn't have every right to choose staff. She does. She's admin for a reason...

Ok seriously see this from someone elses point of view besides your own. I have been on FK for 9 months which is a very long time. The staff when i first joined were very HQ, unbiased, and got shit done. You're a staff so you think a unstaff members opinion doesn't count? WRONG. Fk is going downhill in the organization aspect of it but going uphill in the activity aspect which is very, VERY bad. If horrible staff continue to be picked, that will lead to FK's demise. I'm not going to name any names, but most mods, and a staff member would rather ban kids for trolling and multi accounters then ban scammers and organize threads. TT33s was able to scam 4 times before he was finally banned. I'm sure if the veteran staff team from May/ early June was back that kid would have got the banski the first hour it was posted. Many forums laugh at FK not only because of how we price things which is accurate, but who gets staff. I can name 15 members off the top of my head that are disapointed in the staff choice.

 

[Phantom]

PHANTOM FOR ADMIN 2013

But in all seriousness, Envious is a dumb group and most people getting mod/staff nowadays is just because they're arse lickers. I remember getting mod at the same time as Christy (look at the difference between us now lol) and it's because we both commented on how downhill the site was going and Philly thought we had good ideas and asked us to be mod.

Now all you have to do is buy your way into some Christy fan club.

(Just saw Ocean is now mod, this doesn't include him cause he's HQ as fuck and deserves it)

 

[Quad]

PHANTOM FOR ADMIN 2013

But in all seriousness, Envious is a dumb group and most people getting mod/staff nowadays is just because they're arse lickers. I remember getting mod at the same time as Christy (look at the difference between us now lol) and it's because we both commented on how downhill the site was going and Philly thought we had good ideas and asked us to be mod.

Now all you have to do is buy your way into some Christy fan club.

(Just saw Ocean is now mod, this doesn't include him cause he's HQ as fuck and deserves it)

Christy didnt even get picked by philly to be mod. She would literally make 100 reports a day for threads on the 100th page and bitch that they had to be moved. I didnt have time to deal with that bullshit so I told philly to make her a mod. Worst decision i ever made.

 

[Greed]

But hey, atleast the all the extremely active people are getting into Envious and getting chosen as mods.
Oh wait,

I mean im not trying to trash the current mods on this because they seems to be doing great when they are on and I understand that people can't always be on and are busy, but if there are 10+ staff members and only 1 is on then that's kinda messed up.

 

[A I R]

what are the requirements for becoming staff ? o_o

 

[Phantom]

39k guests wtf?
Looks like someone is failing at taking FK down guys...

 

[Greed]

39k guests wtf?
Looks like someone is failing at taking FK down guys...

Lol yeah I noticed the 39k guests too

 

[Chrisu]

In my opinion and experience. Picking staff members should consist of a few major areas.

• Must have a solid understanding of the rules.
• Active.
• Mature and fair.
• Trustworthy

If they do not have even one of those, they shouldn't be part of the staff team. Why? Mainly because if you can't trust your staff to be active, mature, fair and doesn't know all of the rules, they are generally useless to you and your site. They wouldn't be able to help your members, nor would they make your site look professional, if they don't know the rules.

If what you say is true and a PAID group is picking the staff, that is actually pretty funny. What rights do they have to pick staff members? I don't understand how that works, I would hope it goes through approval before hand. I'd imagine it does, even still though. I personally think only Christy and Philly should pick the staff team, no one else. They are the highest on this site as you can get, so if they think someone deserves a spot, they do. If they really look into why they deserve the position, anyway.

An alternative way of doing this, is creating a staff application thread/section. Yes, this CAN fail miserably but with the correct procedures and thought, you can make it work just fine. If you give your members a solid chance to prove themselves and you can see the effort and time they spend in their applications, it gives you a much better insight on what they are about and how they could benefit you. Of course rules of posting and specific requirements should be apart of that to weed out the ones that would obviously be no help to you.

That's just my two cents anyways, I agree with you Gr33d none the less, and I hope the way staff are picked changes even in the slightest way, because that seems a bit strange to me.

 

[Greed]

In my opinion and experience. Picking staff members should consist of a few major areas.

• Must have a solid understanding of the rules.
• Active.
• Mature and fair.
• Trustworthy

If they do not have even one of those, they shouldn't be part of the staff team. Why? Mainly because if you can't trust your staff to be active, mature, fair and doesn't know all of the rules, they are generally useless to you and your site. They wouldn't be able to help your members, nor would they make your site look professional, if they don't know the rules.

If what you say is true and a PAID group is picking the staff, that is actually pretty funny. What rights do they have to pick staff members? I don't understand how that works, I would hope it goes through approval before hand. I'd imagine it does, even still though. I personally think only Christy and Philly should pick the staff team, no one else. They are the highest on this site as you can get, so if they think someone deserves a spot, they do. If they really look into why they deserve the position, anyway.

An alternative way of doing this, is creating a staff application thread/section. Yes, this CAN fail miserably but with the correct procedures and thought, you can make it work just fine. If you give your members a solid chance to prove themselves and you can see the effort and time they spend in their applications, it gives you a much better insight on what they are about and how they could benefit you. Of course rules of posting and specific requirements should be apart of that to weed out the ones that would obviously be no help to you.

That's just my two cents anyways, I agree with you Gr33d none the less, and I hope the way staff are picked changes even in the slightest way, because that seems a bit strange to me.

Yes, I agree with nearly everything you just said.

 

[Mxlitary]

what are the requirements for becoming staff ? o_o

There are no specific requirements for becoming staff.

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In my opinion and experience. Picking staff members should consist of a few major areas.

• Must have a solid understanding of the rules.
• Active.
• Mature and fair.
• Trustworthy

If they do not have even one of those, they shouldn't be part of the staff team. Why? Mainly because if you can't trust your staff to be active, mature, fair and doesn't know all of the rules, they are generally useless to you and your site. They wouldn't be able to help your members, nor would they make your site look professional, if they don't know the rules.

If what you say is true and a PAID group is picking the staff, that is actually pretty funny. What rights do they have to pick staff members? I don't understand how that works, I would hope it goes through approval before hand. I'd imagine it does, even still though. I personally think only Christy and Philly should pick the staff team, no one else. They are the highest on this site as you can get, so if they think someone deserves a spot, they do. If they really look into why they deserve the position, anyway.

An alternative way of doing this, is creating a staff application thread/section. Yes, this CAN fail miserably but with the correct procedures and thought, you can make it work just fine. If you give your members a solid chance to prove themselves and you can see the effort and time they spend in their applications, it gives you a much better insight on what they are about and how they could benefit you. Of course rules of posting and specific requirements should be apart of that to weed out the ones that would obviously be no help to you.

That's just my two cents anyways, I agree with you Gr33d none the less, and I hope the way staff are picked changes even in the slightest way, because that seems a bit strange to me.

Dissociation, you're a great guy, and you're one of my favorite members here and on HF. I agree with what you say, but we need to get a few things that I think you are confused about.

This paid group that everyone is assuming that all moderators come from is called Envious, and it is owned by Christy. She is an admin, and like you said, admins should be picking the staff team, therefore even if all moderators come from that group, it's just admins picking their staff team in the way they choose.

Also, everyone that gets into Envious has to go through a process, and it includes applications, but people don't get into Envious by application. They are just chosen by Christy, and I have hardly have a clue how her methods work. I assume though that she basically picks based on the four qualities you listed.

 

[Greed]

Yeah Ocean but there should be specific requirements to get into Envious so that it isn't biased at all. Basically right now there are recommended requirements and then you have to be her BFF to get in.

 

[Brenton]

But hey, atleast the all the extremely active people are getting into Envious and getting chosen as mods.
Oh wait,

I mean im not trying to trash the current mods on this because they seems to be doing great when they are on and I understand that people can't always be on and are busy, but if there are 10+ staff members and only 1 is on then that's kinda messed up.

I wasn't on yesterday due to the remodel of my room and studying for exams.
Sometimes mods just aren't near a computer

 

[Greed]

I wasn't on yesterday due to the remodel of my room and studying for exams.
Sometimes mods just aren't near a computer

I know, i know man. I wasn't directing that towards anyone individually because everyone takes breaks and is busy, but like if only one out of 10+ is on then that's a problem.