Ace said:I'm no longer apart of this debate the post above was my last post about this topic
No matter what you say it's almost irrelevant to me my beliefs have been set and are not changing I see that you don't believe in things that cannot be seen or proven and that's the reason why your atheist I'm just not that way I can't be swayed.
Ace said:And that's all I have I don't want to get too serious even this topic is not worth debating with fools who don't bother to change.
Cann!bal said:Why I don't Believe in God or any Religion
1. There is no valid proof of God.
a. If we had scientific proof of a God's existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions. So why doesn't God just prove he exists?
2. The Bible is full of mythology and folklore.
a. Bible includes creatures from Greek mythology.
3. Statistically praying does absolutely nothing.
4. God has never spoken to modern man.
5. The concept of a God is illogical.
6. Bible is unreliable source of proof and evidence for beliefs.
7. The Bible has a timeline that's only 6000 years old which expands from the creation of the Earth and Sun to the status quo.
a. There is an immense amount of evidence that shows the Earth and Sun are older than this.
8. The concept of an afterlife is illogical.
9. The hundreds of Bible contradictions.
a. These contradictions show supporting evidence that the Bible was created by primitive men.
b. The Bible is outdated.
10. Miracles allegedly made by God are just coincidences.
11. Religion is superstition.
12. When the massacre of the innocents occurred, no one cared to write down that all male children in the vicinity of Bethlehem were brutally massacred.
13. Christianity is based on faith.
a. You can apply faith to any God no matter how outrageous or realistic they are.
14. All Gods are unfalsifiable.
15. Look at all the Gods you reject. What evidence makes this God the right God?
16. The Bible lies to us.
17. Noah's Ark is impossible.
a. It's impossible that the ark could hold 2 each of the millions of species that were already on Earth.
b. Mt. Everest was never covered in flood water.
c. Noah was 500+ years old.
18. God is evil.
a. Murdered millions of humans and billions of animals during the flood.
b. He's a murderer.
c. Supposedly all-loving yet he murders us, lets us suffer and die.
19. There are religions that out date Christianity.
20. There's no proof of souls.
21. God has a plan for everybody.This means we have no freewill since our life was already planned out. So, it's not Hitler's fault that he was a bad person, it's God's. Not the pedophile's fault that he raped that little boy, it was God's fault. Not our fault we sin, it's God's. Everything is God's fault, not yours.Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]
22. The Bible condones and or endorses rape, murder, war, slavery, sexism, homophobia, intolerance and more things that modern society would deem inappropriate.
23. Jesus' message makes no sense. His message basically is "I love you and will for all eternity. But if you don't worship me I will send you to Hell and you will experience a unimaginable amount of pain, agony and suffering, and you will burn for eternity."
24. God is too busy to show himself for 1 second to prove to us that he exists.
25. No omnipotent being would be so flawed and stupid.
Only thing I like about Christianity is that it endorses and condones cannibalism.
John 6:53-54 "Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."
Leviticus 26:29 "You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."
Feel free to ask any questions.
EDIT: I'm much more better informed of the topic of God now, and plan to update my list soon.
Kill said:Give me an N! Now give me an O! What does that spell? NO ONE FUCKING CARES.
Kill said:Trying to debate on wether Christianity is real or God exists is pointless? Do you know why? Because there are never going to be any answers for Believers or Atheists. And the arguing is just one big stalemate. So no thank you... I will not try to explain to you why there is a God nor support your explanation of why there isn't one because there is nothing positive or negative that will come from that.
Cann!bal said:It actually spells 'sarcasm'.
Christianity's real, I was never debating that. The God debate is important, because your belief can drastically dictate how you perceive the world. We shouldn't perceive the world through the filter of ignorance.
Answers to what?
Nothing positive nor negative will result from it? What would result from it then, neutrality? I don't understand what you're saying.
Kill said:Give me an N! Now give me an O! What does that spell? NO ONE FUCKING CARES.
Trying to debate on wether Christianity is real or God exists is pointless? Do you know why? Because there are never going to be any answers for Believers or Atheists. And the arguing is just one big stalemate. So no thank you... I will not try to explain to you why there is a God nor support your explanation of why there isn't one because there is nothing positive or negative that will come from that.
Kill said:"Answers to what?"
Wether God exists or not.
"What would result from it then, neutrality?"
Precisely.
Kill said:"Answers to what?"
Wether God exists or not.
"What would result from it then, neutrality?"
Precisely.
Alt said:So you're claiming you think that if 90% of the world found out the person who they believe created them, the world, and everything they've ever known, and they base their ENTIRE lives around this being, that would result in neutrality?
And to think, all of those lives lost over that very being, all of the money given, and hatred spewed, and manipulation and molestation. The very thing that separated mankind.
Well, I know a lot of "believers" that still wouldnt accept it, even with the perfect proof possible. They would continue living their lives in...lies.
Then you'd have those who would accept it, but just brush off thousands of years of mental enslavement, brainwashing, manipulation and every other thing that has stemmed from religion and put a monopoly on society. Boy would I love to nail them to a cross and demean them for a few days.
And maybe you would even have a few that said wow, you guys were right. Now Im depressed and have to find meaning in my life.
Basically, almost all of you are fucking useless. Because if you didnt question for yourself, or werent able to understand the concept of logic, reason, rationality to the point where you were SKEPTICAL enough to think for yourself. I mean, its only in our blood to be the way as humans. How do you think we got to where we are today? Surely
So you're claiming you think that if 90% of the world found out the person who they believe created them, the world, and everything they've ever known, and they base their ENTIRE lives around this being, that would result in neutrality?
And to think, all of those lives lost over that very being, all of the money given, and hatred spewed, and manipulation and molestation. The very thing that separated mankind.
Well, I know a lot of "believers" that still wouldnt accept it, even with the perfect proof possible. They would continue living their lives in...lies.
Then you'd have those who would accept it, but just brush off thousands of years of mental enslavement, brainwashing, manipulation and every other thing that has stemmed from religion and put a monopoly on society. Boy would I love to nail them to a cross and demean them for a few days.
And maybe you would even have a few that said wow, you guys were right. Now Im depressed and have to find meaning in my life.
Basically, almost all of you are fucking useless. Because if you didnt question for yourself, or werent able to understand the concept of logic, reason, rationality to the point where you were SKEPTICAL enough to think for yourself. I mean, its only in our blood to be the way as humans. How do you think we got to where we are today?
See, I just spend a little time explaining my thought process in arriving at the opinion I hold on this topic. Would it Kill you to put a little into yours, rather than just saying "Precisely?"
bloody said:You cannot prove if he is real or fake.
First of all, you cant say if he is real or fake, all you proved is information on how he is fake.
Here is how he is real.
How was the earth and space made?
It wasnt the big bang, It was god.
God made everything in the universe, the Earth wouldn't be here without it.
How do you think humans were made? We couldn't have possibly been here without God. God made us people, you have no proof he didn't make us, but my point is somewhat incorrect. I have no full proof in all of this, Im just 99.9% sure.
Hitmarker said:I'm surprised that when I speak to anybody about religion, or the existence of God, that I use many of these points (but not all).
I completely like to take the theory of evolution, but I do wonder how it all started, which as for now cannot be scientifically proven of how the very beginning was done.
I'd like to believe there was something up there so that people won't loose complete hope in what they would like to believe, and so that it doesn't make everyone in the past seem like a bunch of mental & psychotic imbeciles.
Wess said:Well, if you don't believe, just imagine all of that was true and you died, you'll go to hell, if you try to beleive and it would be maybe true, and you'll be welcome to heaven. Saints are a proof. Why am I saying all of that? I had a miracle.
Cann!bal said:God's law? Yes, let's persecute and slaughter the homosexuals, the witches, those who refuse to listen to the priest, fortunetellers, the adulterers, the fornicators, the bratty children. Let's follow God's law.
Read what your God's laws really are before you even attempt to enforce your unsubstantiated beliefs on anyone.
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm
I will not have faith in any God for the reasoning that you can apply faith to any God no matter how outrageous or realistic they are, nor will faith ever be able to distinguish if it's the right God.
Edd said:Don't twist the words in context... Where did I ever bring up persecuting anyone? Please don't try and twist the context. Your choices are your own choices that you make. I don't hate priest, fortunetellers, the adulterers, the fornicators, the bratty children or homosexuals. I hate the sin not the sinner, like if a friend of mine was gay, I wouldn't hate/persecute them for what they are instead I would pray for them. Many won't accept the fact that God is real, so you will decline it because you say you can't see him or can't find evidence. 十 God Loves U pal.
Optimus said:Dam, I'm showing this to my Religion teacher at school and hopfully this thread will shut her up about all the shit she says about God.
Chill said:Nek minnut, expelled. Haha that's be so funny.
Optimus said:I made that post months ago, but I actually showed her. She wasn't too impressed about it, LOL.
Chill said:Yeah i noticed, thought i'd say my part. What did she say, i'd piss myself laughing if i seen someone do that.
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