Are Gays Born Being Gay[Updated]

Solar · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

KING! said:
Homosexuals are born as gay and some got gay afterwards. [Not when they got born]

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KING!

You're confusing being born as a homosexual and the identification of your sexuality. Homosexuals don't become gay after they're born, and the same applies to heterosexuals. Your sexual orientation is genetically-predetermined, but it obviously isn't until after birth that you discover it.

Color · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Leader said:
40% of men have a chance of being homosexual. I'm not arguing that all men can, I'm arguing that genetics play a role in homosexuality. This article seems to support my argument, yet I don't see what point you are trying to make.

That this "gay gene" you've brought up is certainly not the only factor at play, as you seem to believe. This states thay there's a 40% chance this may lead to homosexuality, meaning it still is affected by society and will be learned. This doesn't mean children pop out gay.

Nevermind · May 21, 2014

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Color said:
That this "gay gene" you've brought up is certainly not the only factor at play, as you seem to believe. This states thay there's a 40% chance this may lead to homosexuality, meaning it still is affected by society and will be learned. This doesn't mean children pop out gay.

That's not necessarily true. You're picking a quote from an article that doesn't even support your claim.

He added: “Don’t confuse “environmental” with “socially acquired.” Environment means anything that is not in our DNA at birth, and that includes a lot of stuff that is not social.”

Richard Lane, of Stonewall, said that while studies into the origins of homosexuality have yet to produce firm evidence, they do to point to a biological root.

He said: 'The thing that’s consistent across all of them is that they all point to sexual orientation being something fundamental to a person rather than the lifestyle choice some opponents of equality repeatedly suggest.’

I didn't say the 'gay gene', even though it's a variety of genes, was the only factor, but it said it plays a role. However, it is quite clear that homosexuality is not acquired socially.

Solar · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Matigo said:
I would like to see PROOF that there is a gene containing homosexuality.

Gosh

Okay I got biology I will ask my teacher there lelel

Our sexual orientation is genetically-predetermined. Your interpretation of the 'gay gene' is far too literal. To be more concise, there are a variety of genetic factors that play a part in the determining of one's sexuality, not just a single gene.

Radical · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Solar said:
I don't exactly see the point of having this argument anymore. Despite what some may think, you don't eagerly wake up in the morning and 'choose' to be gay. As @Leader said, I highly doubt that anyone, in their right mind, would willingly endure to suffer the ridicule, torment, scorn, and hate that is directed towards the homosexual population in our society.

There was a case of this once that I saw a news story once where the guy got hit in the head making him go into a coma. When he woke up, he suddenly became gay. Before the coma, he was straight and had a wife;

FTP · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Lead3r said:
If you think someone chooses to be gay, you are quite delusional. All mammals exhibit homosexual behavior, meaning it occurs naturally. If you deny that, you're denying reality. Plus, who would choose to be ostracized from their families, hated by the majority of their country, and denied basic human rights. Gay people don't choose to be gay, just like how you don't choose to be straight.

I'm surprised this post didn't end this debate.

Radical · May 21, 2014

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dui said:
I'm surprised this post didn't end this debate.

I wasn't anticipating so many replies though, thought I was going to get a couple of logical answers, and everyone would stop replying.

NULLNULLNULL · May 21, 2014

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Matigo said:
@Cicero your changing the subject, my opinion on Gay people, lol your obviously taking the situation and twisting it xD I do not have time for this bullshit.

an opinion drawn from ignorance is not logical. you can believe whatever you want, but recognize that you are wrong if there is evidence that countermands your beliefs. also, if your opinion is drawn from ignorance, you will be called out and you will lose in a formal debate. just a few pointers.

Radical · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Also, for all you people saying "you need to learn what gay is to be gay", I knew this guy that when he was 6 he only was attracted to boys. So my point is I don't think when he was 6 years old someone taught him what gay was or liking same gender is possible.

Fed · May 21, 2014

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Astro said:
No body chooses to be gay, just like you don't choose to be straight. To you, being attracted to females is the norm (assuming you're a heterosexual male), likewise are homosexuals attracted to the same sex. Before you argue that we are all straight growing up, let me tell you that is false in most cases. We only truly recognise our sexuality in our pre teens/pubescent stages of life, and are therefore unaware of our sexuality as a child.

Yeah and the only reason why most gay people are afraid to show it is because in our society, they are viewed as not normal people, even though they are perfectly normal.

Philly · May 21, 2014

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500 said:
Also, for all you people saying "you need to learn what gay is to be gay", I knew this guy that when he was 6 he only was attracted to boys. So my point is I don't think when he was 6 years old someone taught him what gay was or liking same gender is possible.

Sorry but how in the fuck could you be gay at 6 years old? I would assume without having sex with the same sex it is absolutely 100% impossible to call yourself gay, let alone remotely even be gay. Are you serious right now? It sounds like that child was strictly seeking attention or was watching inappropriate tv shows, in which the parents are strictly and utterly at fault.

Radical · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Philly said:
Sorry but how in the fuck could you be gay at 6 years old? I would assume without having sex with the same sex it is absolutely 100% impossible to call yourself gay, let alone remotely even be gay. Are you serious right now? It sounds like that child was strictly seeking attention or was watching inappropriate tv shows, in which the parents are strictly and utterly at fault.

So are you saying the gays aren't born gay?

Color · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Leader said:
That's not necessarily true. You're picking a quote from an article that doesn't even support your claim.

I didn't say the 'gay gene', even though it's a variety of genes, was the only factor, but it said it plays a role. However, it is quite clear that homosexuality is not acquired socially.

Your original statement was that homosexuals are BORN that way, which is in fact false. That's the whole discussion of the thread. My claim, as you say, is that they are not born homosexual. If environmental factors go into it, it's clear you're not BORN gay or to be gay. That's really all there is to it.

500 said:
Also, for all you people saying "you need to learn what gay is to be gay", I knew this guy that when he was 6 he only was attracted to boys. So my point is I don't think when he was 6 years old someone taught him what gay was or liking same gender is possible.

It's not uncommon for younger children to show homosexual behavior, they just aren't aware of the meaning of their actions.

Philly · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

500 said:
So are you saying the gays aren't born gay?

In my personal opinion I say hell no, I believe its strictly a personal choice. I have witnessed individuals turn gay, turn bi, turn straight from being gay, and turn straight from being bi. All of which would mean they couldn't have been born gay. Considering they would have never would have been with the opposite sex. It is whatever the person feels, and wants no how they where born. For those ignorant bringing up animals which have no education or morals well what do you think they are going to do? If humans had no education, or morals what do you think things would be like? Someone posted something about sheep being 10% homophobic or something along those lines are seriously that stupid? It's scientifically proven they are one of the most unintelligent animals in this world. do your proper solidified research.

I am sorry but if you choose to stick your penis in another mans anus that is strictly your choice, and yours alone. It has absolutely nothing to do with how you where born, perhaps how you where raised but that is about it.

Radical · May 21, 2014

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Color said:
Your original statement was that homosexuals are BORN that way, which is in fact false. That's the whole discussion of the thread. My claim, as you say, is that they are not born homosexual. If environmental factors go into it, it's clear you're not BORN gay or to be gay. That's really all there is to it.

It's not uncommon for younger children to show homosexual behavior, they just aren't aware of the meaning of their actions.

I know it is not, in fact there is a whole thread about it on this forum
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/gay/TAPU12KSJM9UHDAD6
I'm not saying it is uncommon I was saying you don't need to be taught what the word gay means to decide if you are gay or not.

Color · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Solar said:
Our sexual orientation is genetically-predetermined. Your interpretation of the 'gay gene' is far too literal. To be more concise, there are a variety of genetic factors that play a part in the determining of one's sexuality, not just a single gene.

This is untrue. There are genes that may be related to having a 40% chance of homosexuality, the rest may come from environmental factors. Keep in mind, none of this is confirmed, this is all theoretical based on similarities within homosexuals genetics, and to my knowledge, only applies to males.

Nevermind · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Color said:
Your original statement was that homosexuals are BORN that way, which is in fact false. That's the whole discussion of the thread. My claim, as you say, is that they are not born homosexual. If environmental factors go into it, it's clear you're not BORN gay or to be gay. That's really all there is to it.

Some homosexuals are born that way, and research proves that. You apparently didn't read the article you linked. Besides, that's one article. Environmental factors are what cause genes to turn on and off. That's what we call epigenetics. These environmental factors, such as nourishment, temperature, etc., have the ability to "turn on" or "turn off" certain genes in the body. Anyways, that means that homosexuality is genetic. Some people are born gay, with the correct set of genes for it to be that way, and some people may feel like they have developed it later, due to epigenetics. Either way you look at, people will still be born gay, and your article illustrates that in the first few paragraphs.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121211083212.htm
http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

Either way, it's still not a choice.

Radical · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Philly said:
In my personal opinion I say hell no, I believe its strictly a personal choice. I have witnessed individuals turn gay, turn bi, turn straight from being gay, and turn straight from being bi. All of which would mean they couldn't have been born gay. Considering they would have never would have been with the opposite sex. It is whatever the person feels, and wants no how they where born. For those ignorant bringing up animals which have no education or morals well what do you think they are going to do? If humans had no education, or morals what do you think things would be like? Someone posted something about sheep being 10% homophobic or something along those lines are seriously that stupid? It's scientifically proven they are one of the most unintelligent animals in this world. do your proper solidified research.

I am sorry but if you choose to stick your penis in another mans anus that is strictly your choice, and yours alone. It has absolutely nothing to do with how you where born, perhaps how you where raised but that is about it.

Your point is valid as I have known one person in my lifetime who went straight to gay, so I can't argue against this.

Nevermind · May 21, 2014

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Color said:
It's not uncommon for younger children to show homosexual behavior, they just aren't aware of the meaning of their actions.

The fact that they aren't aware that their actions are different from normal shows that it isn't a choice.

Phormick · May 21, 2014

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It's a choice or rather a preference. I've seen men and women go from straight to bi to all the way homosexual. It's not some stupid "destiny". It's a preference, each person chooses who they are attracted to.

@Leader then explain to me, why can you look at a woman, love her, yet I'll look at the same woman, and will never be able to love her. It's not like you both were "destined" to be wed.

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