Are Gays Born Being Gay[Updated]

[Radical]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

I will say this with pride, I am highly against homosexuality but I am not going to bully, harass or even state my opinion in most circumstances. With this being said just because I am straight doesn't mean you can make me love just any old haggard chick, that remark was just outrageous.

If you weren't admin I think people would start replying with "What is wrong with being gay" and other stuff like that would cause a whole other argument. I am completely fine with your opinion and, but the only people I don't like against gays is Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[Philly]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Don't try and put words into my mouth. Destiny means "the events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future", and the fact that homosexuality is not a choice does not have any relation to the future, but a relation to the past. People may have realized that they aren't the sexuality they thought they were, or the decided to share it with the world.

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What makes your dislike it?

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It's not right... If it was there would be JUST males, or JUST females. There would be absolutely not one point in having both. I also do not recall ever stating I dislike it I said I think its wrong.

If you weren't admin I think people would start replying with "What is wrong the being gay" and other stuff like that would cause a whole other argument. I am completely fine with your opinion, but the only people I don't like against gays is Westboro Baptist Church.

I personally don't mind, as I stated this is just my opinion I am no hater or anything I just find it wrong and highly immoral.

This is the Philosophy & Debates section feel free to reply if you have something to say... That is what this section is for is it not?

 

[Nevermind]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

I don't "dislike" it.. I'm looking at this with reason. So you believe that you are born with it, but sometimes you aren't sure what you like?

That was in response to Philly.

I'm saying that their are genetic and epigenetic factors that contribute to homosexuality. I thought I articulated that point quite clear. At no point does the word "choice" enter the equation.

 

[Seven]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Well my boy dog tried to bang a boy dog and started licking his dick and stuff (not joking) so I think it might be a birth effect. Not in a bad way, just an effect that happens during birth. Either it be gay or straight.

 

[Nevermind]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

It's not right... If it was there would be JUST males, or JUST females. There would be absolutely not one point in having both.

That doesn't speak to the morality of an action. It just merely states the biology of reproduction.

 

[Radical]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Well my boy dog tried to bang a boy dog and started licking his dick and stuff (not joking) so I think it might be a birth effect. Not in a bad way, just an effect that happens during birth. Either it be gay or straight.

Like someone said earlier, they don't have morals the same way we do about this.

 

[Phormick]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

That was in response to Philly.

I'm saying that their are genetic and epigenetic factors that contribute to homosexuality. I thought I articulated that point quite clear. At no point does the word "choice" enter the equation.

Yeah, I saw that after I replied.

No matter what way I look at this, I can't see you being BORN with being gay or straight. I think it's a decision they you mentally make.

For example, with enough brainwashing, you can make someone who was formerly homosexual, shudder at the thought of conglomerating with another male.

 

[Radical]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Yeah, I saw that after I replied.

No matter what way I look at this, I can't see you being BORN with being gay or straight. I think it's a decision they you mentally make.

For example, with enough brainwashing, you can make someone who was formerly homosexual, shudder at the thought of conglomerating with another male.

This isn't the 1960's where showing pictures of men naked helps you become straight.

 

[Nevermind]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Yeah, I saw that after I replied.

No matter what way I look at this, I can't see you being BORN with being gay or straight. I think it's a decision they you mentally make.

For example, with enough brainwashing, you can make someone who was formerly homosexual, shudder at the thought of conglomerating with another male.

Whether or not you can see it, that's the way it is. Biology, genetics, and epigenetics disagree with your claims.

Please provide some evidence for your claims.

 

[Phormick]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

This isn't the 1960's where showing pictures of men naked helps you become straight.

I never said it was. Though, @Leader is trying to argue that you are born with the decision already inserted into your brain.

It might not be easy, but you CAN successfully brainwash someone to be homosexual or vice versa.

 

[Nevermind]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

I never said it was. Though, @Leader is trying to argue that you are born with the decision already inserted into your brain.

It might not be easy, but you CAN successfully brainwash someone to be homosexual or vice versa.

That doesn't prove or disprove my claim. With enough brainwashing, you can convince anyone of anything. Why do you think religion exists?

 

[Radical]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

That doesn't speak to the morality of an action. It just merely states the biology of reproduction.

So, I don't see why you are question @"philly"'s opinion about him being against gays. There is nothing wrong with being against gays, not unless you harass them, try to hurt them, etc.

 

[Phormick]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

That doesn't prove or disprove my claim. With enough brainwashing, you can convince anyone of anything. Why do you think religion exists?

That's what I'm saying. You can SUCCESSFULLY make someone want to be homosexual or straight. It's not in your chromosones and it sure as hell isn't in your DNA.

 

[Summon]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

I don't believe anyone is born gay, the existence of a gay gene sounds ridiculous to me. I think the way you grow up influences your decisions like your sexuality, whether it is a conscious decision or not.

 

[Color]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

You don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. I'll make it very black and white for you.

If I choose to engage in intercourse with a female, and I am attracted to this female, I am straight.

If I choose to engage in intercourse with both a male, and I am attracted to this male, I am gay.

If I choose to engage in intercourse with both a man and a woman, and I am attracted to both the man and the woman, then I am bisexual.

Must I make this any clearer?

We know what sexuality is. Thanks for the tip though, although it's a bit off. You don't have to have sex in order to know what you're attracted to, that's just silly. This isn't even related to the topic. With your logic here, you could have sex with a female, like it, have sex with a guy, like it more, now you're gay. This wouldn't mean you were born to be homosexual, now would it? As you've just stated that having sex with a female and liking it made you straight to begin. Bad example.

 

[Philly]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Whether or not you can see it, that's the way it is. Biology, genetics, and epigenetics disagree with your claims.

Please provide some evidence for your claims.

I am sorry but can you link me to some reputable sources confirming these statements. I have never heard of anything like this before. Must be a study over a weekend with only a few individuals or something because it sounds as much realistic as humans being able to fly.

 

[Phormick]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

We know what sexuality is. Thanks for the tip though, although it's a bit off. You don't have to have sex in order to know what you're attracted to, that's just silly. This isn't even related to the topic. With your logic here, you could have sex with a female, like it, have sex with a guy, like it more, now you're gay. This wouldn't mean you were born to be homosexual, now would it? As you've just stated that having sex with a female and liking it made you straight to begin. Bad example.

Adding to what @Color said, @Solar, there are some people who NEVER have sexual interactions in their life. It doesn't mean they aren't attracted to females or males.

 

[Solar]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

We know what sexuality is. Thanks for the tip though, although it's a bit off. You don't have to have sex in order to know what you're attracted to, that's just silly. This isn't even related to the topic. With your logic here, you could have sex with a female, like it, have sex with a guy, like it more, now you're gay. This wouldn't mean you were born to be homosexual, now would it? As you've just stated that having sex with a female and liking it made you straight to begin. Bad example.

That is the exact logic that I was trying to disprove. Did you even read my post? I specifically addressed the role of attraction.

 

[Radical]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

That's what I'm saying. You can SUCCESSFULLY make someone want to be homosexual or straight. It's not in your chromosones and it sure as hell isn't in your DNA.

I don't think so, the DNA tells the brain you are gay. Who said you couldn't manipulate DNA.

 

[Chaz]

RE: Are Gays Born Being Gay

Yeah, I saw that after I replied.

No matter what way I look at this, I can't see you being BORN with being gay or straight. I think it's a decision they you mentally make.

For example, with enough brainwashing, you can make someone who was formerly homosexual, shudder at the thought of conglomerating with another male.

watch the following documentary and I think you'll find that your last statement isn't true and doesn't really work http://www.sockshare.com/file/46314FF171BB5DBC

personally I think that some people are born gay, some become gay and others may choose to be gay. It's not a one sided thing. everyone is different, we all develop in different ways.